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Thanks Dave. Sorry for the thread drift. I should have known better than to mention AMC in the same thread as a possible Park Service/guide service quid pro quo. It wasn't my intention to link the two. It was my intent to explain Kevin's (anomaly?) by using a local example.

I am aware AMC guided trips are free. I am also aware that commercial activities (in which the company makes money on public land) require a concessions permits. I am also aware that AMC holds a concessions permit for operating huts and shelters within the WMNF. The point of my questions was to...

My bad. Perhaps you can expound on the details. 1. Are the guide permits issued individually or under the auspices of the AMC concessions permit. 2. Is money exchanged for the permit you acquire and is money exchanged from the persons being guided?

Interesting, perhaps others can shed some light.

Cascade climbers were probably issued climbing permits (not a concession permit) under the separate names of the individuals going. Cascade climbers weren't really a guide service on the mountain they were just a group of people hiking together. Kind of like the AMC leading hikes in the Pemi...

Oh boy, you have hit on 2 contentious issues discussed over the years elsewhere. Good luck to ya. ;) :)

It's funny how the nuances of a situation or circumstances are never fully communicated in a written story. In practice I tend to be a pragmatic results orientated individual. Once I set a goal for myself I tend to be fairly focused on achieving that goal. This, as you can imagine, can create...

It was a weird situation. The second she saw me, she attached herself to me like an Alabama tick. While we were hiking I was trying to get a “read” on her. She didn't appear to be mentally unstable, she wasn't injured, she spoke intelligently, obviously educated, and she was hiking strong. It...

Geez, given this skeptical mob, I don't hardly dare to tell another story...:) But what the heck, this is a somewhat different twist on this theme. This spring I was in Washington and Oregon doing some climbing and decided to trek down to Yosemite for a visit. The draw for me was to climb...

Wow, a couple more feet to the left; would have been a different story. Glad everyone's OK. No side air bag deployment either?

I only have a cursory grasp of the technical details of this issue but find it interesting the depth of knowledge on this hiking board. I'm not in the least bit interested in the politics of this issue as I tend to form my opinions based upon the facts. Most of the information on the TV or Net...

In the 550 +/- National Parks Units and National Forests anyone that wants to make money in those unit must obtain a concessions permit. Usually these permits are issued for several years and may be bid as a competitive process. The department of Interior allows for special consideration to...

You can't make this stuff up. No quid pro quo there! :rolleyes: Why oh why can't I get hooked up like this? :D

I suspect that if Selwyn hadn't had the spot he would have summoned up the courage to overcome his fears and downclimb with his partner rather than face a night alone on the mountain while his partner went for help. While I agree that Shane should get “Dick of the year” award for not staying...

Not to diminish the importance of the NY drilling and it's possible effects on the Adirondack State Park but with this ruling the gas companies can't be denied permits by the forest service or parks service, throughout the US, to frack their way into public lands, if mineral rights are...

This is odd deal if I understand it correctly. When the federal government started buying private land on the east coast to turn into National Forest land they only bought surface rights to the land. Below surface mineral rights were maintained by the former owners. Now the gas companies want...

This incident kind of reminds me of an epic that occurred a couple of years ago. I think it was 2005 or there a bouts when we got that big snow dump in Nov or Dec? My partner and I decided to do Killington from Sherburn Pass. It's was only about a 10 mile round trip but with the trees heavily...

I'm left wondering; what if this was Cody Lundin and Dave Canterbury? What would they have done?

This is the sited violation.

While gearing up at the LOJ to climb the TD 4 years ago a ranger approached asking where I was heading. I told her I was climbing the Dike and descending the south slide. After a brief discussion about the wet conditions she wished me a good day. It had rained the previous 3 days and I had no...