Seward plane wreck, Donaldson, Emmons, Seymour 7/1,2

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Doodles

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Zer0-G and I drove up to the Daks on Fri night and camped so we would be in position for an early start Sat morning. We arrived at the PA at Coreys at about 6:30. We met up with a group of VFTT members heading up to Sawtooth #5. We chatted for a few minutes and continued to get ready for our quest for 4 peaks.

We departed the PA at about 7:30 and headed towards Blueberry Lean-to. The trail was very wet and muddy and a lite rain was threatning. We caught up with the Sawtooth
group at the lean-to where everyone was taking a quick break.

Time to move on. We crossed the first bridge, found the cairn and started up the herd path to Seward. We continued to follow the path along the brook all the way until there was no more brook. All of a sudden, OH NO THERE WAS NO MORE PATH! After a minute of contemplating what to do next, the decision was, GO UP!
This was easier said than done. I think it would have been easier breaking out of prison than pushing thru the thick steep terrain.

We were making progress slowly and then we seperated to get around a steep cliff. Zer0-G went right and I went left. We were yelling to each other to keep track of one another and to see who would find the way up. As I traversed the lower wall, I saw what appeared to be a fiberglass panel with rivet holes. What in the world is this doing up here?? I went a little further and found a larger piece of debris, and then looked up and saw a large pile of wreckage. I yelled to Zer0-G "hey, I think I found a plane". What, "I said I think I found a plane wreck". What kind of plane he responded. "A freaking air plane, I don't know, what kind of plane, a broken one." After a few minutes we both converged on the wreck. This is where I tried to convince Zer0-G that, if we didn't lose the herd path, we would never had found this plane wreck. We took a few pictures and decided we weren't going to summit standing around and the plane wasn't going our way either.

We finally broke thru and found the summit. We took a lunch break along with group of young hikers who were on the same peak quest as we were. The leader of the group suggested that we may want to go down by Calkins Brook after Donaldson and Emmons.

We did continue on to Donaldson and then Emmons where we decided that it was a good idea to go down the Calkins Brook trail since it was dry and a none confusing choice as the multiple paths that we encountered on the top of Seward. This decision would add considerable milage since we had to get back to the Blueberry area for the next days hike.

We finally make it back and set up camp for the night.
A thunderstorm and heavy rain blew through during the night, but was all over by morning.

We broke camp and started for Seymour. It was a steep steady climb up the right side of the slide. We were a bit disapointed by the no views because of socked in cloud cover. Looked like a great peak for views. (but we did not complain. No complaining allowed.)
We had lunch on the wind swept summit and started back down. By the time we got down the sun had come out and the clouds had cleared. One of us said "clouds are gone, do you want to go back up"?

We will have to get the views on another trip. We took a quick break and headed back out to the PA for the trip home. The hike back out to the PA was a wet and muddy trip. At the end I heard a long SPLASH, SPLASH, SPLASH. I guess Zer0-G was tired of trying to keep his last pair of socks dry. I yelled ahead, "sounds like the march of the I don't care how wet I get".

The wet and the mud did not dampen our spirits. We never laughted so hard as Zer0-G conquered the mud pits.

Another good trip with a great hiking partner.

George

http://community.webshots.com/album/551902373frXTxm
 
Nice pictures Zero-G... Heck, with Zero-G's username, you should be able to float that plane out!

My friend and I ran into a plane in the middle of NOWHERE in Wrangell St. Elias, by "Hole-in-the-wall Glacier". We had set up camp for that day at around 6000ft just below the H-it-W glacier and were wandering up in the morraine and just enjoying the beautiful day. Miles of nothing around us and nobody in any visible sight. My friend comes back and says "you got to see this" and tells me how to find the wreckage. So I follow her directions and come upon this plane, almost fairly intact, but upside down. Engine and props were salvaged cause they were nowhere to be found, the canvas on the wings were torn up, as expected and the interior looked fairly shot. The battery was still there though.

Jay
 
Doodles,

Thanks for the T/R.

Did it look like it would have been really difficult to bag Seymour from either A) Emmons via the brook in the col between Emmons & Donaldson or B) eastward from Seward?

Both would be to save time by not going back to the trail that the Blueberry shelter & Ward Brook shelter are on. Sorry about not knowing the name, I'm looking at Nat. Geo's Trails Illustrated #742 & it doesn't list the name.
 
Doodles,

Nice write up. I think it will take at least a month for my boots to dry out. Once I got home, 6 hours later, and noticed my feet were still pruney and white I couldn't help but laugh.

Climbing Seward.

What started out as a relatively simple and easy stroll up a meandering "herd path" soon turned into something completely different. Like night and day. I was thinking, instead of a "herd path", it was more like I "heard" there was a path up here somewhere. Soon after that I realized that we had swapped out our friendly little "herd" path for a "hurt" path to the summit.

I would like to know if anyone in recent memory has followed the herd path near the Blueberry Lean-to to the summit of Seward successfully.

Having my sense of humilation significantly reinforced repeatedly over the last two years by repeated bushwhackings, or dare I say the bushes whacking me, has been an enriching experience.

Anyway, I'm going back to Seward one day, yes, to find that herd path to the summit.

I will.

And, with a smile on my face, I will stand on the summit with my GPS ardently pointing the way down to the plane wreck with that poor guys plane and penny loafer exposed, withstanding the elements, knowing that I sent a blessing his way and believing his life was not lived in vain.

;)

Zer0-G
 
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lx93 said:
Doodles,

Thanks for the T/R.

Did it look like it would have been really difficult to bag Seymour from either A) Emmons via the brook in the col between Emmons & Donaldson or B) eastward from Seward?

Both would be to save time by not going back to the trail that the Blueberry shelter & Ward Brook shelter are on. Sorry about not knowing the name, I'm looking at Nat. Geo's Trails Illustrated #742 & it doesn't list the name.

Take it for what it's worth, we were planning to head to the Northville-Placid (?) trail from Emmons and come up the "back way" to Seymor.

I spoke to a couple of people about it and similar questions to the ones you posed above and the two main responses can be summarized as follows:

Seward to Seymor - Would strongly not recommend it. (for various reasons that I don't recall)

Emmons to N-P trail - "GOOD LUCK" (sarcastic) It's REALLY REALLY thick up there. The herd path is not really that clear, you can do it, but it will take a long time.

I was warned by park service personel, as well, that the herdpath up Seward from the Blueberry Lean-to is not that clear (at best) and also, on the way back down to the Bluberry lean-to it is also very confusing and easy to get off track and head down an unintended herd path in a different direction.

Which I guess would only be a real big problem for those with weak navigational skills and a low tolerance for pain. (See reference to "hurt path" in a previous post).

Unfortunately I have a high tolerance for pain and inconvenience. :(

I too, look for the shortest distance between two points to save time and distance. However, I am finding that the most exerienced peolple in this area of the world (The Daks) recommend that following the paths and back tracking is usually the more prudent and time efficient manner for getting places.

Zer0-G

:D
 
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Nice T.R and pictures, do you have an exact position of that plane wreck? Looks a like small airplane, probably piston powered, and it looks like somebody had a really bad day. There have been many planes that have gone down in mtn's and plane and pilots have never been found, so if you can pin point where it is I will definitly pass it on to the right people. Chances are, somebody probably didn't make it out of there alive and some of their relatives may want closure. It would be greatly appreciated.... Looks like its been there a while so it could be a case closed NTSB report but you never know.
 
Hey, Thanks... Very interesting.... WX in NY state in the mtns is always bad.. Esspecially near SLK. Everytime I go out there its either icing or T -storms. Go figure :rolleyes:
 
I am not doubting the documentation, but by the looks of the wreckage, I find it hard to believe that anyone walked away from this one. The picture that I took is quite a pile of rubble.

Yes, I do have the exact location of the wreck also which I will post later when my GPS comes back from shopping.
 
"Engine,propeller,wheels, full body and even someones moccasin/slipper!" (quote from link)

This in fact has to be the same crash, because the moccasin/slipper was still there.
 
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You guys need to put Seymour on the list for return visits. On a nice day, the views are surprisingly excellent. Looking back at Whiteface, over to Seward's, out toward Santanoni, etc. Scout around for different vantage points on the top. Typical Seward Range day... long, muddy and wet!! There are reports of killer bees back in those woods! :rolleyes:
 
bubba said:
There are reports of killer bees back in those woods! :rolleyes:

Woo Hoo! Killer Bees ....I can't wait to go back! :p

Really? Any more info on that?

Zer0-G
 
Zero-G, I have researched nearly to death a Couch to Emmons hike but still havn't done it. Feel free to contact me for a boat-load of beta.
 
snowbird22 said:
Nice T.R and pictures, do you have an exact position of that plane wreck? Looks a like small airplane, probably piston powered, and it looks like somebody had a really bad day. There have been many planes that have gone down in mtn's and plane and pilots have never been found, so if you can pin point where it is I will definitly pass it on to the right people. Chances are, somebody probably didn't make it out of there alive and some of their relatives may want closure. It would be greatly appreciated.... Looks like its been there a while so it could be a case closed NTSB report but you never know.
Here are the coordinates of the plane crash site.

N 44 deg 09.668'
W 074 deg 11.483'
 
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