Thx Cath, funny you mention Silverfox, thought about him a few days ago, very weird....I joked with my wife about putting price tags on my gear just in case, will help pay college bills.....sorry to hear about ACL replacement if you needed it...going into city today to sleep over, going to have yucky weather today, and they said not to worry about the rash I developed after last weeks camping trip, which is a really weird story better saved for another time. Guess you just found out I like to talk...have fun hiking..CF