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Our solution for everything in this country can't just be "tax the rich". It's lazy.

Would we line all the roads with no parking signs throughout the entire area? Quick pull-offs on the side of 302 for people to take a dip in. Hunters, loggers, leaf-peepers, hikers, backpackers, general neighborhood traffic, etc. Truckers driving through and pulling over for a rest? There...

It's always going to be easier to implement a reservation system with limited entry/exit points. How many vehicles traveling through the Region are actually hiking? I'd be willing to be it's in the minority. Never mind the other aspects of the "multi-use" that use the Whites for non-hiking...

Definitely figured it was something along those lines, but 9? :eek: :eek:

I like it Tim. So the solution is if you are confronted by a ranger, distract them and give 'em the ole Vulcan Death Grip. :D :D :D

Yes, they are opinions. Educated opinions, which is more than most of can say, but opinions none the less. Pride/Ego is likely a bigger concern.

Are you suggesting it all started to go downhill in 2005? I assume you weren't around the Whites in the 70's then.

Correct. Certainly plausible someone could be lost, but confident they can find a way out and only get themselves more lost. One reason COULD be over the cost, could be embarrassment, could be pride. Seems counterintuitive to suggest not being self-reliant, and there is a fine-line, but SAR...

If you are lost, are you liable for injuries incurred by your rescuers? https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/tn-dpt-me-0629-papageorge-lawsuit-missing-hikers-20140628-story.html Concern over climbers waiting until too late to call, causing a potentially more dangerous rescue...

There's been bear problems off and on throughout campgrounds in the WMNF as long as I can remember. How far back to the "new age" of hikers go? The 70's?

Probably true. Of course, what goes unaccounted for is the "hey I'm running late don't worry I won't be back in time for dinner" call that maybe could've triggered a call to SAR. To Nessmuk's point below yours, "Search and Rescue" is now an antiquated term. Seems we can now call it "Curbside...

I'm less concerned with a tent-site 200 feet off the trail which will never be seen or used again than 1000 people on a summit on any given day.

I found the BPB to be a nightmare on skis when were last on it, quite a while ago. Maybe it's straightened out a bit, but it there were few straight lines as it weaved in and out of the trees. We ended up returning via the trailed-route and it was much easier. That would be the only other...

Question PB, it appears that if we take the Cleveland Bridge to the East Side, we won't have issues as it's before the closure, correct? Visiting family that way, past Success Pond Rd. There's a chance we are going past Errol, but I'm trying to avoid the extra travel...

Hi thanks. Again, specifically referring to the posted hit piece. I'm aware I can hunt around the internet to find details. And, I also take it back as I missed where they were asked, and didn't respond. So my comment was off-base to begin with.

And your guess would be wrong. I was referring to the hit piece that the impression has all the answers.

Hence why it wouldn't been interesting to read the original article with comments from them, or at the minimum attempts to contact them, as to their reasoning. Which still seem unclear to me. I'll avoid the rest of the political discussion otherwise.

I'd be curious to hear directly from the Commission how/why they are doing. But the article seemed to have zero interest in that. It's presented from one position only, and while I SEEM to agree with everything written in there, I cannot make an informed opinion without an understanding of the...

The overall question is do we want to the mountains (wilderness, trails, outdoors, etc.) to adapt to the populace, or the populace to adapt to the mountains.

(Raises hand. Of course, I was 12 and trying to catch up to my brothers, but I was well on my way toward Lafayette before I was chased down)