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Great suggestions..I HAVE to do my first SOLO VERY soon...I feel the need to hike MUCH more lately..don't know why yet...but it's how I feel.. M

Sorry about the weather mistake..I assumed..too many stories in this thread.. :D I agree weird city for the caretaker to pick the first arrivals to kick out. Maybe he had the "elitist" attitude himself and didn't think a father and his young children "deserved" the comfort of the shelter..even...

Yeah it was pretty lame of him I agree...and YES this trip was planned weeks in advance, because like you I am exteremely busy, and don't live close enough to great trails, so these things MUST be planned WELL in advance...If he had given some notice or inclination that he was leaning toward NOT...

The mere fact that this "caretaker" chose to put CHILDREN out in the cold and damp rain shows how intelligent he/she was....why choose that group out of everyone??? Must not like kids.... Just seems out of line...and like you say...if I were that father...I wouldnt have budged...caretaker could...

I agree if you arent putting anyone out by taking the space then its cool...I was just saying it was silly if its a full shelter...or if your tent is taking up space others could use to sleep.. M

I guess if noone else is around and there are circumstances like you describe...but in mid summer?? Seems silly to me.. M

Very true...but I don't know that i'd even bushwack that way...might get WHACKED....in the wrong place by the wrong bush... :D M

Setting up your tent INSIDE the shelter is just plain stupid...HA....too funny...with my personality I likely wouuldve had a slight altercation with the above reference guy making comments about where im sleeping... M

See 24 hrs..that wouldve been at least acceptable....he just shows and assumes i'll be ok with him backing out..I was truly disgusted... M

anyone have any reccomendations on hammocks that are light, reliable, possibly with a "cover" for rain, and easy setup? Do any of you "hammockers" find it difficult to find the "right" set of trees? Seems it would be easier to set up than a tent and surely easier to find a spot than a tent...

Ahhh see they are right...you DO learn something new everyday... M

yeah it was like that...but it looked like on the end nearest to one of the trees they had a "come along" like a hand winch....was neat nonetheless...I was on the completed staircase this past weekend and it was a great job done...Kudos to those who completed it..didn't look easy at all.. :D M

This is exactly what I don't get...I liked the post UNTIL you mention "in my defense"..why do you feel you need to defend yourself? I was glad to hear you basically told the caretaker to pound salt. You reached the shelter first...no matter how "better prepared" you were its STILL NOT your fault...

I personally always like to set up my own shelter....whether tent, bivy sac, or tarp...i like my "own space" M

Does this actually happen? I can't imagine asking someone who arrived before me to give up their shelter spot for ANY reason. Especially not because I thought I "deserved" it more...just because someone is Thru Hiking the AT..doesnt mean they have preference to the shelter spots.first come first...

I agree....I have not had any bad experiences with 3 section telescoping poles "collapsing" on me...KNOCK WOOD....and they compact soo nicely.. M

How do you find the compactness of them if you need to put them on your pack? Seems they might be "big" compared to a 3 section telescoping pole? M

I've seen then doing this in the Deleware river area the past few months...green dot trail I think it is.....they were using a "come along" hand winch...2 trees...you get the idea...time consuming, but...effective. M

Darn they NEVER have my size... M

I have the Exaclibur 2400 4 tray model..works great..the jerky comes out terrific provided you use a marniade that you enjoy.. M