2024: Less snow than normal

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Bracebridge Road in Newton was paved a few years before the Mason Rice school was built. The equipment used to build the school destroyed the pavement (or so I was told when I was a child living there). The road is private and the owners did not repave it. My parents lived on that road from 1966 to 2018, and it was unpaved during that entire time. It is still unpaved. Yes the bottom 30 or so feet at the intersection of Pleasant St still has pavement, and probably the top 20 feet with Hancock Avenue.

Yes it is a question designed to trick the AI that is not smart enough to interrogate Open Street Maps (which has its own errors on St Croix, an issue I am not sure I am willing to address). I developed that question about a year ago after asking the Microsquash Bing AI if a Westminster Road and West Princeton Road just west of Mt Wachusett was paved. I then rode that on my bicycle as part of a loop, and it was not paved. So I was looking for ways to determine whether an AI was smart enough to tell me, and I did that by asking it questions to which I knew the answer.
I figured. I would just point out that AI only aggregates what is on the web (the free stuff anyway) and there were many references to comments made by actual humans which were incorrect. It attempted to "score" the paved vs unpaved entries against website traffic and project a "winner". And it was stated that was how the conclusion was made. So you can gather and summarize a phenomenal amount of information in seconds but it is only as useful as the sources.
 
Based on the articles I clicked through to the humans didn't do any better....
The sidewalk on the west side is paved. There is only a bit of sidewalk on the east side. Most of the east side is used for parking by parents picking up their children after school. Lots of humans know the status.
 
To pull us back to the theme of the thread, January 2025 was the warmest on record

"Last month was 1.75 degrees Celsius above the pre-industrial level and 0.79°C above the 1991-2020 average, despite expectations that the La Nina weather phenomenon might bring cooler temperatures.

In 2015, the international community agreed to try to limit average global temperature rise to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels.

The January data was “surprising” even to climate change experts at Copernicus, the European climate change service, which noted that it was the 18th month in the last 19 where the global-average surface air temperature was more than 1.5°C above the pre-industrial level.

“January 2025 is another surprising month, continuing the record temperatures observed throughout the last two years, despite the development of La Niña conditions in the tropical Pacific and their temporary cooling effect on global temperatures,” said Samantha Burgess, Copernicus Strategic Lead for Climate."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/02/1159846
 
FYI
More snow than normal on the western side of Camel's Hump this year.
We've been getting 2 or 3 inches of snow every couple days since Christmas.
No consolidation.
 
Once again, I will suggest that statements like "Warmest on record" are pretty much meaningless. The earth is too large and varied a place for the temperature to be meaningfully boiled down (no pun intended) to a single number. I know, it is convenient and tempting to do so.

Plus, unless compared to data that was collected in exactly the same way, in the same place(s), it is an apples to oranges comparison and thus doesn't have the meaning one might think it has.

It may very well be that the earth is warmer, but I don't think that can be known with much certitude.

You and I will disagree on this forever, but that's OK. I admire your passion.

What I am confident we will agree on is that mucking up our planet unnecessarily is always a bad thing and is to be avoided.

TomK
 
Once again, I will suggest that statements like "Warmest on record" are pretty much meaningless. The earth is too large and varied a place for the temperature to be meaningfully boiled down (no pun intended) to a single number. I know, it is convenient and tempting to do so.

Plus, unless compared to data that was collected in exactly the same way, in the same place(s), it is an apples to oranges comparison and thus doesn't have the meaning one might think it has.

It may very well be that the earth is warmer, but I don't think that can be known with much certitude.

You and I will disagree on this forever, but that's OK. I admire your passion.

What I am confident we will agree on is that mucking up our planet unnecessarily is always a bad thing and is to be avoided.

TomK
Sorry, but you are simply dead wrong.
 
2 feet of fresh powder in my backyard in Milan, with more to come in the next 10 days. Almost feels like a "normal" winter up here. After a few years of less snow, the snow mobilers are happy, but I could do without the -18 nightime temp.
 
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30 or so years ago in Eastern Mass. we had about a week of -18F night temperatures*. The 1 hour 20 minute 23 mile commute home on the bicycle was interesting. Now I am cold at 25F although I am out for longer distance and time at only 12 mph.

*That is my memory, but I have not been able to find it in any weather records.
 
Once again, I will suggest that statements like "Warmest on record" are pretty much meaningless. The earth is too large and varied a place for the temperature to be meaningfully boiled down (no pun intended) to a single number. I know, it is convenient and tempting to do so.

Plus, unless compared to data that was collected in exactly the same way, in the same place(s), it is an apples to oranges comparison and thus doesn't have the meaning one might think it has.

It may very well be that the earth is warmer, but I don't think that can be known with much certitude.

You and I will disagree on this forever, but that's OK. I admire your passion.

What I am confident we will agree on is that mucking up our planet unnecessarily is always a bad thing and is to be avoided.

TomK
I would generally agree with this. But if you aggregate enough temperature records around the globe from varied locations I think you could reasonably conclude it is indeed getting warmer overall. Snowpack shrinking year over year, glaciers receding, ice caps shrinking and breaking up, more frequent droughts and other phenomenon would all support the notion of an overall warmer average temperature for the planet.

I don't think we can dial that number in to hundreths of a degree (or probably even a single degree for that matter). That seems a bit much unless we're talking about measurements for a specific location and I'm not sure that the absolute number even matters. Has anyone come right out and said that at say an average of 34.6 deg C everything goes to $%&#?

EDIT: Looks like I took the bait. My bad..... :(
 
I would generally agree with this. But if you aggregate enough temperature records around the globe from varied locations I think you could reasonably conclude it is indeed getting warmer overall. Snowpack shrinking year over year, glaciers receding, ice caps shrinking and breaking up, more frequent droughts and other phenomenon would all support the notion of an overall warmer average temperature for the planet.

I don't think we can dial that number in to hundreths of a degree (or probably even a single degree for that matter). That seems a bit much unless we're talking about measurements for a specific location and I'm not sure that the absolute number even matters. Has anyone come right out and said that at say an average of 34.6 deg C everything goes to $%&#?

EDIT: Looks like I took the bait. My bad..... :(
No, you should not agree with TomK’s take on global temperature records. We are taught how to calculate averages (means) in the fifth or sixth grade. In review for those whom have forgotten those math classes, an average (mean) is determined by summing all values and dividing the sum by the total number of values.

The changes in global temperature are determined by averaging temperature data from thousands of weather stations all over the planet, land and sea (islands), all using the same measuring protocols. These measurements have been compiled for over a hundred years. Add to the weather station records, are millions of additional temperature measurements from other thermometers, satellites, and buoys (lakes and oceans). Over the last couple of decades, ocean temperatures at 10-meter depth also have been collected, and those data are now showing the upward warming trend as well, which is especially bad news as the oceans apparently are no longer absorbing all the excess heat in surface waters as they had been doing since CO2 values began to climb.

During the past two years, the average global temperature blew by the 1.5 C rise threshold that the Paris Climate Accord in 2015 stated should be the upper limit to avoid catastrophic global environmental consequences (ex, sea-level rise, flooding, wild fires, etc). The year 2023 was an El Niño year in which global temperature values are commonly above average, but 2024 was a transition year into a cooler La Niña, yet the average global temperature continued to go up. And, yes, indeed we can measure temperatures down to a tenth of a degree C, if not hundredths of a degree C everywhere.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying that a “year was the warmest on record,” as the record applies to the past 100+ years of temperature measurements, not earlier times like the when the dinosaurs roamed Earth in the Mesozoic. These red herring arguments are demeaning to our intelligence.
 
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No, you should not agree with TomK’s take on global temperature records. We are taught how to calculate averages (means) in the fifth or sixth grade. In review for those whom have forgotten those math classes, an average (mean) is determined by summing all values and dividing the sum by the total number of values.

The changes in global temperature are determined by averaging temperature data from thousands of weather stations all over the planet, land and sea (islands), all using the same measuring protocols. These measurements have been compiled for over a hundred years. Add to the weather station records, are millions of additional temperature measurements from other thermometers, satellites, and buoys (lakes and oceans). Over the last couple of decades, ocean temperatures at 10-meter depth also have been collected, and those data are now showing the upward warming trend as well, which is especially bad news as the oceans apparently are no longer absorbing all the excess heat in surface waters as they had been doing since CO2 values began to climb.

During the past two years, the average global temperature blew by the 1.5 C rise threshold that the Paris Climate Accord in 2015 stated should be the upper limit to avoid catastrophic global environmental consequences (ex, sea-level rise, flooding, wild fires, etc). The year 2023 was an El Niño year in which global temperature values are commonly above average, but 2024 was a transition year into a cooler La Niña, yet the average global temperature continued to go up. And, yes, indeed we can measure temperatures down to a tenth of a degree C, if not hundredths of a degree C everywhere.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying that a “year was the warmest on record,” as the record applies to the past 100+ years of temperature measurements, not earlier times like the when the dinosaurs roamed Earth in the Mesozoic. These red herring arguments are demeaning to our intelligence.
And I am assuming that the calculations are weighted by area, so that many "thermometers" in one particular square mile do not outweigh a single "thermometer" in a different square mile. And probably more esoteric adjustments as well.
 
And I am assuming that the calculations are weighted by area, so that many "thermometers" in one particular square mile do not outweigh a single "thermometer" in a different square mile. And probably more esoteric adjustments as well.
That's some funny stuff 🤣
 
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