Cheney, North River and 5 Sawtooth peaks

[Peakbagr]

Here's an ADK whack worth noting:

http://www.adkhighpeaks.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48853#post48853

 

[buckyball1]

all i can say is "wow"---i'm stunned--i know most of these peaks from good weather climbs back in the 80s (one or two at a time ) --an impressive adventure by Pierre and yes, those Sawtooths are "really" thick

jim

 

[buckyball1]

and we used to just worry about Finch Pruyn and National Lead ....sad
jim

 

[buckyball1]

fortunately i did my ADK climbing 25+ years ago and didn't depend on anyone maintaining a trail --and it was great to find a canister too

jim

 

[Toe Cozy]

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Furthermore, it cost very little to ask for permisssion!!!

Christine

If a person asks for club permission ahead of time to wander on your leased land is it always granted? Who grants this permission (i.e. who is the contact person at your club for this?) How much lead time would be needed?

Also, I don't know much about the club to which you refer. I have heard of it's existence and that is has history on it's side. I tried to look for a website to get some info, but was not able to find one with a simple google search. Could you point me to information about the club or a website? I have extremely mixed up feelings about the whole concept and to be honest most of them are negative. On the other other hand I do believe in the right to private property and the right to have say over who goes and who doesn't on that property. These thoughts and feelings are based on almost no real information about your club so I was hoping to fill in the gaps. Thank you.

 

[Doc McPeak]

fortunately i did my ADK climbing 25+ years ago and didn't depend on anyone maintaining a trail --and it was great to find a canister too

jim

Jim, the private property issues have become more contentious/confrontational in the last few years ... almost in direct correlation to internet communication and a bump in people "peakb{r}agging" the ADK100!?

25 years ago everyone slipped past posted signs and then disappeared into the ether leaving behind nothing but footprints, a little flesh and blood, and some wayward tatters of clothing. Today most post about their travels (and I have before myself) and occasionally those online journal entries are about wandering through private property. With the reach of the internet being as wide as it is, people being much more quick with their trigger fingers, and the evidence literally etched into silicon, this is akin to throwing another log on these public/private bonfires.

I think Oncoman did try to do this trip the legal way, and didn't mean any harm with his posting. The real shame is that we are in this tabloid world now where wisps across the web translate into such intense emotions. At the end of the day it's just boots tramping across earth, and rock, and mud.

As for the Sawtooth Wilderness. I find it no thicker than anywhere else. The hikes are just longer in there. And I miss the canisters, too. I just wish they made PVC in a nice forest green color. The white is hideous, and the empty peanut butter jars make me hungry. See, there's something for us all to whine about!

 

[buckyball1]

Doc M--Well said.

Times have indeed changed and I guess I foolishly long for the "old days". I stopped solo bushwacking in the mid/late 80s in NY and just started again seriously last year, but this time in in ME, NH and occasionally VT. There were property issues in the Dacks then(mostly with the big companies, occasionally with the clubs-and permission requested was often denied), but if you were circumspect, there was seldom any confrontation, pretty much "no harm, no foul". Man, there was hardly anyone doing it and even fellow hikers thought you were a bit crazed.

Thankfully, it seems there are fewer of these issues in ME (+Northern NH and Northern VT); probably a population density, proximity to larger cities correlation.

I am sure the Sawtooths are no denser than many of the areas I've been in the last 18 months; just time playing tricks on my memory

..and yes, at times i too react more harshly than i ever would in person when casting words upon the net...

thanks again for putting this into some perspective

...i still love jars/cans/canisters at the end of a long solitary wack, no matter the color

jim

 

[bigmoose]

Like buckyball1, I have found New England hiking and bushwhacking to be much less contentious than that in the Adirondacks. There are peaks on private property here, too, but they're climbed without contention. And hundreds of jars and canisters have survived through the years, some in wilderness, others on private property, without provoking the ire of any overzealous one-woman crusader.
Buckyball1 bagged 93 of the AdkHH, and I got 70, never once "trespassing".
But in notching 100 New Hampshire Hundred Highest I've never had to think twice about stepping in the wrong place, and I've enjoyed bushwhacking up and finding jars or canisters on at least 35 tops.
I may return to the Adirondacks to finish the Sawtooths and the Sentinels, but won't worry about finishing the others unless the acrimony over access subsides.

 

[ColdRiverRun]

As for the Sawtooth Wilderness. I find it no thicker than anywhere else. The hikes are just longer in there.

Sean,
I don't think most people complain about the thickness on the way to get to one Sawtooth as much as when you get on top and try to go from one to another. Then they say it is like a haunted castle of swamp and blow down thicket. Maybe we can get Inge and the newest ADK100 member chic and go from 3 to 1 or 5 just for giggles.

 

[albee]

I don't think most people complain about the thickness on the way to get to one Sawtooth as much as when you get on top and try to go from one to another.

Are you saying that doing them one at a time is the "easy" way?

 

[ColdRiverRun]

Cory, you and we don't go out to fight the mountains but to enjoy a day in the woods and that in itself makes for a totally different experience out there. Furthermore we have always been able to pick and choose our days of hiking as good weather and sun makes a huge difference. And we rarely if ever go alone which significanty increase the comfort zone.

Now, do you want to climb Sentinel again next week with us? We know of a very easy route to the summit.

That's funny to write and ask about Sentinel since when I did it last was when I went up to meet Spencer and Brian for a whack of a few 46 and although the forecast was for a clear day it was pouring and had been for hours. They didn't bring rain gear and didn't wanna go in from experience of bushing in the rain. We waited around for about an hour and a half and then went to the Noonmark Dinner and were eating breakfast when I realized they were only waiting around because they felt bad I drove 2 hours to do a hike with them and now they weren't going. We laughed about it then talked about what was close that I could go hit alone. Sentinel was the answer. It was that weird day in mid August that hit a low of 40 and with the rain I was drenched thru to say the least, only dry gear was in the backpack. It sucked to look up at a black cloud and then look over at Slide and see sunshine. So yes I'll go do Sentinel again for giggles.

I've been alone for most of the bushwhacking that I do, nearly all in the past and this year when I seemed to have met a lot of new bushwhacking friends I'd say it went 50-50. I've just found that the most important thing on a bushwhack with others is a sense of humor and a mutual joy of the difficulty.

 

[ColdRiverRun]

Are you saying that doing them one at a time is the "easy" way?

Wow, are you trying to use Socratic method against me so that you talk me into doing an overnight or a one day attempt next year at all 5. That's sneaky...I'm in. I believe that I asked that you try doing 2 at once before we attempted all of them at once so that there was a mutual understanding of what difficulty might lay ahead. But again yes I'm easy and can be talked into doing it the hard way first.