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Mike P. said:
Defined Rural back road?

When I get up early in the AM for a long drive from CT to the trails & it involves either snowy travel or being on the road soon after the bars close (or near the casino's which encourage late nights & free drinks so you lose money) If oncoming traffic was seperated by just a double yellow line, how is that safer?
...... but from what I see on the road (& I'm on it a lot) the lion's share of stupid driving I see is done in cars, including 4x4's driven by people who yjink that means they can stop on ice.

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I certainly do not envy where you live. You appear to be sharing the road with more than your fair share of drunks and nut jobs.
It doesn't seem like you have many options if you are in such close proximity to bars and casinos. The rural roads I drive are great with minimal and often no traffic at night. They are not plowed but a load of fun with a good four wheel, big tires, and slower speeds.
As for the median strip vs the double yellow line, I guess it depends on what's coming at ya and how fast they are going.
We used to get entire families killed and/or critically injured by fast moving, out of control cars or trucks who crossed the median strip.
We also got the drunks who killed innocent people while driving to endanger on secondary roads or interstates.
I cannot find the comment someone made about us New Englanders being a little "cold" as compared to the folks out West. I recall being in Vail and apres-ski shopping in all the little stores. I started to wonder what was wrong with these people because they were so outgoing. The lift operators were a real hoot and most entertaining. It was amazing to see the contrast.
 
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Neil said:
Not to be outdone by Mr. H. I just ordered THIS for hunting season. To my surprise it comes in 60-40 material, just like my old shell.
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I still have an old orange 60-40 shell (bought back in the '70s when it was presumed to be a good color for safety.)

Don't forget, the old 60-40 fabric was nylon in one direction and cotton in the other. The cotton would wear out and the fabric would tear in parallel strips. (My shell has some of these...) Might have been a reason why the fabric disappeared from the outdoor clothing market...

65-35 was next--polyester and cotton (cotton wrapped polyester, I think). Held up much better--mine is still in good shape. (But it is DARK BLUE.)

Doug
 
More likely to get shot by a hunter than a hiker????

Hmmm, let's dig up that old hiker's packing thread. I'm thinking that the majority of hunters are hunting game in places where it's easy to drag it out. Jefferson's summit does not come to mind. I don't taste very good & hikers thighs are probably pretty tough & the ribs aren't all that meaty & there isn't much left - my liver is shot (SIT DOWN MR. DAHMER) Hunters also take safety courses

On the other hand, some of the comments on the armed hikers thread I recall made it sound more likely a hiker (likely male - beat me now but I don't consider a women even weighing up to 180 pounds or a guy for that matter at that weight to a threat even if they are threatening me with bodily harm ) breathing heavy (coming uphill) could be shot by someone armed, untrained & paranoid.
 
bikehikeskifish said:
Most hunters I know would consider themselves nature lovers -- the serious ones scout for months in advance of hunting season, observing all of nature's clues and making notes. Tim
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Agreed. I worded that poorly.
 
giggy said:
forestnome got crap b/c he prolly looked and acted a bit different than the average hiker. Its not a secret - we align oursleves by hobbies, socio ecomonic status, culture, race, religion, etc... FN looked like a hunter and lets tell it like it is - there are many here that despise hunters.
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...but Giggy nails it. The rude hikers are rude because they think I am not like them, even though I am. They think I'm from one of the groups that they hate. But, we are doing the same thing, well sort of...I really thought this would be a simple comment about a simple phenomenon.

Happy Trails :)


btw, I love my orange gaitors now ;)
 
This thread is weird (a troll?)

..but Giggy nails it. The rude hikers are rude because they think I am not like them, even though I am. They think I'm from one of the groups that they hate. But, we are doing the same thing, well sort of...I really thought this would be a simple comment about a simple phenomenon.
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or perhaps you are wrong. maybe you can't read people's minds. maybe the rude people are just - rude people, without any agenda. maybe YOU are projecting stereotypes. i have met MANY people in the mountains who were not friendly at all! but i never presumed they were unfriendly for any specific reason - because it could be anything. i might have been dirty, stinky, scarey, not Bean-ish enough, etc. or maybe it was entirely them - they were paranoid, egocentric, disinterested, snobs, solitude seekers or just plain rude. it certainly never bothered me because they didn't conform to my expectations of perfect behavior. now if someone said "blankety, blank, hunters!" then this thread might have meaning. but as it stands it seems odd to me that you would presume everyone is rude to you because they think you are hunting. wouldn't you neeed to carry a rifle or bow before a reasonable person would make that assumption? this is a very strange thread... :confused:
 
While I'm hoping against hope, there is precious little in the history of hunting threads that lends support to the idea that this thread will end up well.
There are a number of good posts about hikers misunderstanding or even disliking hunters, and the reverse is true.
The problem occurs when the discussion get emotional and the name calling begins here or in PMs.
Keep it going as long as you keep it civil. There will be zero patience for those who can't. History is not on our side here.

Peakbagr
-one who enjoys both pastimes.
 
Yeah, it's a strange thread, but it is doing some good to flesh out psychologies and (perhaps) myths.

After amassing a reasonably large sample set of interactions with hikers, dog-walkers, hunters (less so), and the like, I've whittled and whittled my part in the interactions to where I'm now comfortable with many of them passing silently. If the situation merits, I may smile, wave, speak or even stop to talk, but I recognize that it's not necessary for us to like each other, or even deal with each other, aside from showing respect in sharing the trail. If they're cool, I reciprocate. If they're not, I show a non-threatening, slightly disinterested visage, and keep moving.

Again (with regard to the original post), fellow travellers -- of whatever stripe -- are free to speak and behave as they please (including making funny faces) right up to where they're in my space. Until then, I keep peace with all.

Both Giggy and Gris may have accurate analyses.

With no disrespect,

--M.
 
Gris said:
or perhaps you are wrong. maybe you can't read people's minds. but as it stands it seems odd to me that you would presume everyone is rude to you because they think you are hunting. :
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Perhaps you should review the original post. In the first case, they were freindly until they saw the orange, then completely changed. In the second case, she said she assumed I was hunting right on the trail. No clue how you think I'm wrong. Another time this autumn, also on the Champney Falls Trail, I passed two hikers and said hello and they said hello. I passed them again at the end of the day. I said hello and asked if they went to Chocorua summit. They said no, but close. Then one asked what I was hunting? They were visibly happy to hear that I was a hiker, not a hunter.

I actually have no reason to think any of the hikers who have been rude actually hate hunters. I think they were just put off because they thought a hunter was hunting where they were hiking.

In the future I'm going to just mention that I'm not a hunter when I sense the chill.

Happy Trails :)
 
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forestnome said:
Perhaps you should review the original post. In the first case, they were freindly until they saw the orange, then completely changed.
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I dunno, but if it were me, and I saw you putting on clothing which wasn't properly color co-ordinated, I think I would just stop talking right there. You see, I'm one of those (and I do get criticized for it) people who think clothes ARE important, and that it is important to look your best, no matter where you are.

It may have been someone like me.
 
forestnome said:
In the future I'm going to just mention that I'm not a hunter when I sense the chill.

Happy Trails :)
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Be careful though! At that point they might pull out their orange suits and guns ;)
 
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