In search of the Scar Ridge Holy Grail

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Papa Bear

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I am familiar with the two most popular bushwhack routes to Scar Ridge. The route from Little East Pond to the col (Topozone), and the route from the Kanc up along the ridge leading to the canister bump (Topozone). Of these the later seems to have a slightly better reputation.

A few other possible routes look interesting:

From the north (Kanc). Distance-wise these all seem similar to the normal Kanc route.

1) up along the ridge leading to the true summit bump (x3774): Topozone. This is essentially one ridge line to the west of the standard Kanc bushwhack.
2) up along the ridge leading to the "middle peak" (passing over "x3030"): Topozone. This is essentially one ridge line to the east of the standard Kanc bushwhack.

From the south. Distance-wise these are longer that the Little East Pond route since they would involve contouring over from the trail or up from the road.

3) Up that slide: Topozone
4) up along the ridge that goes up to the true summit bump: Topozone

Has anyone looked at any of these? Anyone wanna join me and try a different route and maybe we'll find the Scar Ridge Holy Grail?
 
If you're referring to the ridge that the red mark is on that's more or less the route I snowshoed up on a single digit day this past winter. There's a short piece near the top that is almost a knife edge, and some thick spots but overall not too bad. When you planning on hiking it?
 
dRitter said:
If you're referring to the ridge that the red mark is on that's more or less the route I snowshoed up on a single digit day this past winter. There's a short piece near the top that is almost a knife edge, and some thick spots but overall not too bad. When you planning on hiking it?
dRitter

I saw your trail report from 2/26/05 (dRitter 2/26/05 report). I am assuming that's the route I call the "standard Kanc route" which is the second map in my opening paragraph. That would be my choice from the two "regular" routes. But I am really interested in any information on the other 4 routes numberred 1) 2) 3) 4) in my note. I have not seen any reports for any of these possibilities.

But your report also mentions a report by docross done the week before (docross 2/19/05 report) who mentions finding "the bottle". That might indicate he was on the "Middle Peak" (Topozone of "Middle Peak") a NHHH peak with a 3000 footer 'bottle", rather than the canister bump which has a NEHH canister. That would be my 2) option in my original note. But he did say they started at Big Rock which (unless he crossed to the next drainage east) would lead to the NEHH peak. So that is an uknown unless he is on the board and can tell us.
 
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Papa, I guess I took your option number 1 a couple Thursdays ago. I haven't taken any of the other routes, but the route I took was not fun.

There were a lot of marked trees (paint marks; blobs or slash-like stripes) and it wasn't too bad at first, but it seemed to take a long time to actually gain elevation, despite the relative steepness. I followed a stream a while, then moved away from it. I wondered more than once if I was going the right way, because the ridge to the east was much higher than where I was, but later that ridge was much lower when I got up high.

Eventually there was a lot of dense spruce to fight through, natch. My water bottle fell out of its pocket on my pack once or twice.

I don't recall the elevation, but at some point there was a steep drop-off on the left (east). I didn't want to get too close, even though there were plenty of trees near it. There was a view east, too.

I kept expecting to encounter a herd path, and it was in this vicinity that I did begin to find one now and then, but none of them lasted very long.

On what I thought was the top, there were many paths, but none seemed to lead anywhere, and I did'nt find the canister. In the question I posted (on June 3) on the subject, Tramper Al pointed out that the canister is on the lower eastern summit. I guess I'd read that before somewhere; I wish I'd remembered it when it mattered. Either way I went along the ridge from the summit dome the land went down, so it didn't occur to me to search anywhere except on the high area.

My wristwatch altimeter went up to 3810 feet, for what that's worth.

Going down, I went too far west and found myself near an old slide with some vertical exposed rock above me on the ridge to the west. I tried to head more east, but found myself back near the slide, now a stream. I crossed it, and the water made a long rocky drop that was fairly impressive.

The woods seemed more open on the western side of the stream, but they really weren't. I kept returning to the stream, and crossed it and recrossed it a few times, then went back to the western side and tried to slab around the slope to what I thought would be less severe terrain, but the ridge seemed to just keep bending away from me and it was tough going.

Aside from being pretty well exhausted, I had charley horses in both legs, and kept uttering little screams every time I had to step over another blowdown. Did I mention it wasn't fun?

Anyway, after a long descent, I went back down to the stream, figuring it would have to lead me to the Hancock Branch eventually, and I didn't want to risk losing it.

I forgot to mention: Are you familiar with the path which is directly across Route 112 from Big Rock Campground, the one that goes to Hancock Branch? Partway down that path it is crossed by another well-beaten path, probably made by moose, which parallels the river downstream (west) at a distance. Well, I followed this path a ways, then bushwhacked to the river and crossed it, utilizing an island that had some discarded cigarette packs on it.

Well, coming down, I didn't know where I might be in relation to Big Rock Campground, but I assumed that once I reached the river I could easily get to the road and figure out which way to go to get back to my car (which was actually next to Big Rock at the Discovery Trail head).

The stream I was following had too many slippery rocks to make it easy to stay in, so I had to get out often and fight through the spruce. Down around 1700 feet maybe, I crossed to the west for the umpteenth time and finally found some painted trees. Yee-ha, so I thought, except that then the stream petered out completely! However, I almost immediately heard a motorcycle roar away not too far ahead, and I heard the roar of water as well, and soon saw, unmistakably, Hancock Branch. Phew.

I crossed it, thought I recognized a broken tree on the other side, climbed up through the woods, and came to a road I definitely recognized; the gated road that is about a half mile west of Big Rock Campground, the one that is shown on my 1967 7.5-minute topographic map as going to a sand pit. It's easy to see on the map which ridge and stream I followed down, knowing where I ended up.

From there it was easy to get back to my car.

I had started the hike at 6:50 a.m., reached the "top" (I'm not sure if I should count this as a climbed mountain or not, without the canister offering its confirmation) about 11 o'clock, started back down a few minutes past noon (it doesn't seem possible I was up there an hour, but I guess I was), reached Hancock Branch about 2:10 p.m., and was back at the car a half hour later.

[After crossing the river, I had to go back because I realized I was missing my sunglasses. I didn't find them where I'd changed out of my boots and into my wet shoes, so they're gone. Which reminds me: Anyone know where I can find those cheap drop-behind sunglasses? Wal-Mart was the last place I was able to find them, and that was a few years ago probably. We've checked two Wal-Marts recently (coincidentally, Hudson, New Hampshire, and Hudson, Massachusetts) and didn't see the sunglasses. They're the kind that drop behind your regular eyeglasses, and used to cost about two bucks.]

Anyway, I won't be trying this route again anytime soon. No matter how bad it is from Little East Pond, I can't believe it could be much worse than this hike was, and it would be considerably less distance. Right?
 
Raymond said:
Papa, I guess I took your option number 1 a couple Thursdays ago. I haven't taken any of the other routes, but the route I took was not fun.
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Tramper Al pointed out that the canister is on the lower eastern summit. I guess I'd read that before somewhere; I wish I'd remembered it when it mattered. Either way I went along the ridge from the summit dome the land went down, so it didn't occur to me to search anywhere except on the high area
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I had started the hike at 6:50 a.m., reached the "top" (I'm not sure if I should count this as a climbed mountain or not, without the canister offering its confirmation) about 11 o'clock, started back down a few minutes past noon (it doesn't seem possible I was up there an hour, but I guess I was), reached Hancock Branch about 2:10 p.m., and was back at the car a half hour later.
Raymond

Thanks for the details. That route doesn't seem too appealing.

As for "did you bag it?" I would say yes, since I am of the school that says a point elevation on a map trumps an equal closed contour. OTOH, when I go, I'll want to hit both bumps, just to make sure. :D

(I'm also going back to Owl's head to hit the x4025' bump, but that's a whole 'nother story).

If I go from the Kanc, I'll probably go the "normal" route, but those potential routes from the south, especially the slide, intrique me.

I'm also considering doing the "Middle Peak" while I'm at it, which will add about a miler of ridge walk (over and back). In this case the "leave no stragglers" advice (since Middle Peak is a 3000 footer) adds quite a bit of pain.
 
PB, your routefinding posts are true gems. Your descriptions and map links make it easy for everyone to be thinking about the same routes.

I've explored your #3 (Mack Brook Slide route) on skis in winter '99. Mack Brook branches off Eastman Brook just below the Tripoli Road. It's a bit confusing to follow the brook at first, as the mountain's apron is not very steep there, and I didn't want to end up in the wrong drainage (i.e. Little East Pond side). I stayed west of the brook, ultimately connecting onto what looked like old but traceable logging roads. The valley gets steeper after 500 vf or so, turning into a fairly deep V. Harder skiing than it would be hiking, I suppose, due to the sidehill. Eventually, after 2 hours (?) you reach the base of the principal slide (less steep than the Tripy slides, but longer and a bit narrower, more like the Osceola E slides). Just beyond the top of the slide, the route appears to plateau off, but I did not push through the krummholtz to reach either of the summit points.

As far as hiking this route goes, you'd have the advantage (over skiing) that the Tripoli Road is easier to drive and park on in the dry season. The slide might pose some difficulty -- I have no idea whether it was scree, talus, or slab under the snow (but I'd guess slab and scree based on the nearby Fingers and E Osce slides). Likewise, it could be a wet route, but again the water was all in frozen form the only time I tried that route. Slide climbing is a rather different beast than hiking, though, so if that's what you seek, you'll find it there.
 
Papa Bear said:
OTOH, when I go, I'll want to hit both bumps, just to make sure. :D

Don't listen to him! He didn't want to go get the other Big Spencer peak :D

oh well, I guess I only half wanted to...

If you could move Scar Ridge closer to me, I'll be happy to tramp around for all those peaks...

In 2001 (I think) I did the Big Rock - NEHH cannister trip with Tramper, SK, Michelle, and Farmer. It wasn't as bad as we were expecting. I wasn't in tune enough with the "leave no stragglers" concept yet to insist on pushing on to other Scar peaks.

spencer
 
Papa Bear to really leave no stragglers on Scar Ridge, don't forget to do the East Peak of Scar Ridge, NH 3K peak. Do the whole ridge!
 
dms said:
Papa Bear to really leave no stragglers on Scar Ridge, don't forget to do the East Peak of Scar Ridge, NH 3K peak. Do the whole ridge!
I know that. But I don't think anyone in their right mind would hike the whole ridge (Hell, why not start on Osceola and go all the way to Loon Mountain?). I'm thinking that would be a good one to hit from the col from the East Pond Trail.
 
We did it from the col on the East Pond Trail, early in the morning there was some foolhardy talk of going all the way over to North Peak, but the reality of the vegetation on the ridge soon brought us to our senses and we stopped at the 3774 peak.
 
dms said:
We did it from the col on the East Pond Trail, early in the morning there was some foolhardy talk of going all the way over to North Peak, but the reality of the vegetation on the ridge soon brought us to our senses and we stopped at the 3774 peak.
I was on an AMC trip many years ago that went up the East Pond Trail to the col and all the way down the ridge to Loon. The trip was an interesting mix of the most experienced bushwhackers in NH and people who had never bushwhacked before, but even the latter finally made it.

Any group with an extra car to spot should do the whole ridge, and if the people are of the caliber of PB they should go down the herd path over a NH200 peak http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=4880519&e=291317&s=50&size=m&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25
instead of the ski trails :)
 
Roy, that was a later trip with folks who knew we failed the first time and challenged us to do the "whole" ridge knowing what was in store. In fact, where the ridge from Black Mountain joins Scar Ridge we saw some remnants of the old trail that goes over Black Mtn. It was, however a very long day.
 
dms said:
We did it from the col on the East Pond Trail, early in the morning there was some foolhardy talk of going all the way over to North Peak, but the reality of the vegetation on the ridge soon brought us to our senses and we stopped at the 3774 peak.
You stropped at x3774? Then what? You're in the center of the ridge so did you go all the way back to the East Pond Trail? Up to the Kanc? South to the road?

Sounds like if you were biking across country and you got tired so you turned around in Nebraska and came back to Boston. :D :D
 
We made a big loop, after we left 3774, we backtracked to the col above Little East Pond, bushwacked down to Little East Pond, and then took Little East Pond Trail back to our cars on Tripoli Road. This was in 1987, and at that time it was easy going from the col to the Pond.
 
Papa Bear said:
I know that. But I don't think anyone in their right mind would hike the whole ridge (Hell, why not start on Osceola and go all the way to Loon Mountain?). I'm thinking that would be a good one to hit from the col from the East Pond Trail.

Talk about not knowing any better: For my first real bushwhack, I chose Scar Ridge (and even talked a friend into coming with me). The plan was to go up from Little East Pond and yes, do the whole ridge - all eight knobs. The ridge was very thick with spruce and blowdowns except for the herd path from #2 (the canister peak) to #1 (3774 knob). We knew we were committed (or should be) when we clambered down a cliff on the east side of Middle peak (#3) and brought one of the (former) handholds down on top of us. We managed to find the view ledge just below #6 (the easternmost of the four middle peaks) and were rewarded with a better than 180 degree view and some evidence of bear. As it was getting late, we decided, wisely I think, to head down at that point, back to the Little East Pond Loop. I do recall kissing the trail once we got back to it.

Still have the East peaks to for my NH100.
 
bobandgeri said:
Eric - PapaBear and some others are planning an attempt at Scar Ridge with some others next weekend. No time like the present!
That's me. We're going a week from tomorrow. See my other thead (Southern Whites Blitz). After all this thought, I decided to go from the Kanc. 8AM at the Big Rock capsite parking lot.

Pb
 
whole ridge

Neighbor Dave did the whole ridge solo in a day.........right up there with a Millen,Dartmouth.Deception type whack.............MJ
 
Papa, I see your trip was a success. I note that you had a tough bushwhack from the canister to the true summit. Others have claimed there was a herd path between the two.

I thought I was on the true summit in June, when I couldn't locate the canister, but I didn't see any herd path heading toward the eastern canistered peak (which I'd forgotten existed when I was actually there, darn it). Did you find multiple herd paths on the true summit (and maybe an old anchovy package on the ground), or was I somewhere other than there? (I should have mentioned that your Web site still says "not yet climbed". I was hoping to check your photos to see if anything looked familiar to me.)
 
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