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Nate

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For Mount Crescent, where is the true summit? When I was up there on Saturday, it seemed like mountain's highest point was on the north peak, but the trails seemed to only skirt the high point. I trekked into where I thought was the place, but with all the snow on the trees it was difficult to tell if there was anything higher, and I wasn't quite dressed appropriately for stomping through snowy spruces for any length of time. At least on Mount Randolph it appeared the trail crossed right over the true summit (at least from what I could tell).
 
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Randolph

The trail does not go over the "summit" of Randolph, the register is located .2/.3 west of the trail. There is actually a discernable summit cone, you can't miss it. In two trips to Crescent I have not been able to locate the register which is off the trail about .1 mi. A friend who has found has promised to go back up and show me it's location!
 
Thanks for the info. This gives me a reason to do this loop again, since I'm sure it's quite lovely when I'm not post holing every step of the way. Also, just to confirm, is the true summit of Crescent on the north or south peak?
 
Nate, from what I've been told, the summit of Crescent is just off the trail on the north peak, it's pretty flat there, but I understand the register is very close to the trail just at it's high point.
 
i smell sumptin' fishy here!! :D
either this person is really new to the game(i.e.) missin' every summit all the time??? or this person has hairy knuckles and lives under a bridge!!
c'mon "nate" come clean!
 
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Post'r Boy, you have to remember, for those of us who don't have fancy schmancy altimeters, topozone maps, or map and compass skills (or who are quite new to the bushwhacking game and always end up hiking alone), the wooded high points to some of these mountains might not be readily apparent. Especially when one is working on the Y-Alpine list, where each summit is supposed to have a trail to it (which apparently isn't the case with Randolph or Crescent) and thus on such peaks one's expectations of having to hunt around for a high point are nonexistant. Nor does it help when one goes hiking in adverse conditions, when visibility isn't the best, and the woods are too wet and cold to go tramping through the unwelcoming spruce for very long. For instance, when I was up on Randolph, the trail was lined on both sides by a wall of snowy spruces, so at no point was I able to see the "discernable summit cone" and I never encountered a suggestion of one.

I don't know what kind of fishiness you sense, but the simple fact is that if the WMG gave sufficient information regarding these peaks I wouldn't have to bother people with my queries. If you feel I am too ignorant to share in your knowledge, then please disregard all my future posts. However, in general I believe one should never hesitate to ask questions if they would like additional information (and that it's everyone's right to refuse to answer questions if they would prefer not to [at least in matters relating to VFTT]).
 
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For what it's worth, I am more than happy to share the info I have on any bushwack peak. I enjoy helping someone out, I got help from folks like Dennis Crispo, John Swanson, John McHugh, Anne Gwynn, and I want to continue that tradition of assistance.
 
Nate said:
Post'r Boy, you have to remember, for those of us who don't have fancy schmancy altimeters, topozone maps, or map and compass skills (or who are quite new to the bushwhacking game and always end up hiking alone), the wooded high points to some of these mountains might not be readily apparent. Especially when one is working on the Y-Alpine list, where each summit is supposed to have a trail to it (which apparently isn't the case with Randolph or Crescent) and thus on such peaks one's expectations of having to hunt around for a high point are nonexistant. Nor does it help when one goes hiking in adverse conditions, when visibility isn't the best, and the woods are too wet and cold to go tramping through the unwelcoming spruce for very long. For instance, when I was up on Randolph, the trail was lined on both sides by a wall of snowy spruces, so at no point was I able to see the "discernable summit cone" and I never encountered a suggestion of one.

I don't know what kind of fishiness you sense, but the simple fact is that if the WMG gave sufficient information regarding these peaks I wouldn't have to bother people with my queries. believe one should never hesitate to ask questions if they would like additional information (and that it's everyone's right to refuse to answer questions if they would prefer not to [at least in matters relating to VFTT]).

If you feel I am too ignorant to share in your knowledge, then please disregard all my future posts.

it's not that at all, i'm sorry you felt that way. i always thought you were a nice person,but my instinct thought you might be someone who's playin' tricks. apparently not,or so i am told,by you.
alot of times when you're lookin' for the summit jars you have to take the next step and that may mean steppin' off into the unknown. that's what is goin' to give you the experience you'll need to find more of them. well wishin' you all the best,and i won't be ignorin' your posts! :D
 
Nate said:
Especially when one is working on the Y-Alpine list, where each summit is supposed to have a trail to it (which apparently isn't the case with Randolph or Crescent) and thus on such peaks one's expectations of having to hunt around for a high point are nonexistant. Nor does it help when one goes hiking in adverse conditions, when visibility isn't the best, and the woods are too wet and cold to go tramping through the unwelcoming spruce for very long.

You can get Topozone online for free as in the map below which will answer some of your questions:
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=4918387&e=316400&s=50&size=m&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25

As you've discovered, some of the points on the Y-List are not the highest points. There is a named summit called Mount Randolph which is on the trail, and a higher point beyond which is not. If you are climbing the Y-List you should feel that you can claim all their peaks even if you never leave the trail while to claim the 3000-footers you need to climb the higher cone that "dms" describes. Note that even the true high points of several 4000-footers are not right in the trail but many people claim them by walking by because 4000-footers are not supposed to require bushwhacks..

Yes, bushwhacking and even many trails can be miserable under the conditions last weekend which is why there aren't more people hiking in November & April :) The highest point on Randolph was easy enough to see on a clear day in summer, when I went there with a non-bushwhacking friend wearing shorts & a sleeveless shirt without complaint.
 
Hmmm...now I'm confused. I headed up Randolph early last winter tovisit a 3k and check it off my list. My understanding, I can't remember why at the moment, was that the north (un-named) peak was the higher one. So I went up there and I found no discernable "summit cone". Just a flattish, rolling summit area with an outcrop that appeared to be the highest point. Was I mistaken about it being the north peak? Or is the Y-alpine peak different? I was working without GPS or altimeter and am a fairly novice bushwhacker so it's quite possible that I was well off the mark. But I saw no clear summit cone (or canister) on the north peak.
-vegematic
 
The summit cone I was writing about is on Randolph, and is about .2/.3 mi. off the trail. Crescent has a flat summit, with a register that is a short distance off the highpoint of the trail.
 
RoySwkr said:
Note that even the true high points of several 4000-footers are not right in the trail but many people claim them by walking by because 4000-footers are not supposed to require bushwhacks.

This statement tears at the very fabric of my reality. What are some examples of 4k's where the true summit isn't actually on the trail (besides Owl's Head)? On such mountains, considering the trails do get so close to the true highpoints, why is it they fail to reach the actual spots? Is it because the trails were created before the true summits of those mountains were identified?
 
Nate said:
Especially when one is working on the Y-Alpine list, where each summit is supposed to have a trail to it (which apparently isn't the case with Randolph or Crescent) and thus on such peaks one's expectations of having to hunt around for a high point are nonexistant.

However, in general I believe one should never hesitate to ask questions if they would like additional information (and that it's everyone's right to refuse to answer questions if they would prefer not to [at least in matters relating to VFTT]).

I appreciate your questions, Nate, and share you sentiments on ‘lists’ that are supposed to not involve bushwhacking. I encountered this when doing Paugus. The trail goes over a lovely open view area but definitely doesn’t go to the summit. I told my husband it would be just a short ‘whack, so off we went in shorts and t-shirts. Relatively speaking, it is a “short ‘whack”, but much longer than we expected and definitely thick in spots.

Now, I enjoy and have experience bushwhacking, but when I have someone join me who is just expecting a hike, like you, I would like more specifics as to what we are in for. All in all we had fun but I don’t think we found the summit. Maybe, maybe not. But the hike was well worth the trip.

signed…just another ignorant one….
 
Carole, I completely agree. The larger point is that when in the wilderness, it can be really difficult to notice a register jar when you're not looking for it (and especially if it's your understanding that the summit is right on the trail), even it it's not too far away. I'm sure that 99% of the people who walk the section of the AT between Route 112 and Mount Wolfe have no idea there's a register on Blue Ridge, even though it's only about 50-60 feet from the trail. How could they know? Unless it's mentioned in a guide, it's just another anonymous height of land on the way to Katahdin.
 
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I'm sure that 99% of the people who walk the section of the AT between Route 112 and Mount Wolfe have no idea there's a register on Blue Ridge, even though it's only about 50-60 feet from the trail. How could they know?

I agree, as I hiked that route in Aug. and posted questions before hand. AMC maps don't use the name Blue Ridge so I never even looked for a cannister on bump '3009'. I did find the high point of Wolf but no cannister was to be found.

But, as I summed up that post, I'm not going back.
 
Examples of 4K summits not on Trail:

Garfield, it's bare rock off trail
North Kinsman, just off trail, I forget at momemt if left or right when heading south, it's mentioned in the WMG

On the other hand, Whiteface summit is unmarked but the Rollins trail goes over it, which bump past the junction with the Sleeper Trail is it?????
 
I just visited the string Carole referenced, and one factoid shocked me: the true summit of Mount Davis isn't on the spur trail. Dang, I gotta stop doing these things when the visibility is only two feet. I know Post'r Boy's gonna swat me for asking, but is the true summit marked by a jar? I'm sure the true height of land is quite obvious when the summit isn't engorged by a rainy cloud.
 
Nate said:
I just visited the string Carole referenced, and one factoid shocked me: the true summit of Mount Davis isn't on the spur trail. Dang, I gotta stop doing these things when the visibility is only two feet. I know Post'r Boy's gonna swat me for asking, but is the true summit marked by a jar? I'm sure the true height of land is quite obvious when the summit isn't engorged by a rainy cloud.
I keep asking myself... does it really matter? If you're 10' or 100' away from the summit, which is in easy walking distance, are you really there? How close do you have to be to the actual summit for it to count? 1 foot? 1 inch? Do you have to merge your wave function with that of the summit top point?

Personally, I would lie about it. If I told someone I hiked Mt. Woo and they said, oh did you go to the actual summit -- it's 10' off trail, I'd say 'yes'. Obviously it matters to them but not me so I'd lie rather than start an argument about who is right.

Lying makes you feel better about yourself in the long run.

-Dr. Wu
 
Summit registers

For me, and I suspect almost all others doing bw peaks, finding the register is a big part of the challenge and reward of the trip. I have spent up to an hour looking for a register on thick, flat peaks. I find it interesting to read the entries and see how long it has been since the last person signed in. If someone wants to claim the peak without finding the register, that's their choice, most bushwackers I know never lie about it, they just say they couldn't find it.
 
dms said:
For me, and I suspect almost all others doing bw peaks, finding the register is a big part of the challenge and reward of the trip. I have spent up to an hour looking for a register on thick, flat peaks. I find it interesting to read the entries and see how long it has been since the last person signed in. If someone wants to claim the peak without finding the register, that's their choice, most bushwackers I know never lie about it, they just say they couldn't find it.
Dennis, I think you failed to notice the 'tongue-in-cheek' part about my post! :p

FWIW, I didn't mean finding the canister. I meant, more or less, on a trailed peak... am I on the summit here or is it that rock 10' away? I'd rather not fuss over it. But canisters on the other hand are a lot of fun...

-Dr. Wu
 
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