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Dr. Wu as to trail peaks, Gene Daniell, had several of those summit "secrets" such as the boulder on N. Kinsman, the boulder on Wildcat, sometimes he would make a reference to them in the AMC Guidebooks. Gene was a purist in seeking the "true" summit of all peaks. Since I hiked with him so frequently in the late 70's and early 80's I also picked up that trait.
 
dms said:
Dr. Wu as to trail peaks, Gene Daniell, had several of those summit "secrets" such as the boulder on N. Kinsman, the boulder on Wildcat, sometimes he would make a reference to them in the AMC Guidebooks. Gene was a purist in seeking the "true" summit of all peaks. Since I hiked with him so frequently in the late 70's and early 80's I also picked up that trait.
This I feel differently about. Whether I stand next to the boulder or on top of it, it doesn't really matter. In my mind, technically speaking, you'd have a hard time actually standing on the high point such that you are normal to the plane created by the microscopic 'high point' of the mountain that it makes in relation to the theoretic surface of the earth around it. At least without fancy equipment you could never be absolutely certain that you are standing in such a way, even if you are on top of the highest point on the mountain and it's obvious that there is nothing higher around you. So, in my mind (but it's fine if you think differently!!) It's pointless to try and actually stand on the very top. I'm just happy to be in the general area because I like hiking and it's fun to get to the 'top'.

If that boulder though has better views then I'll stand on it. If it doesn't then I'm usually content with standing next to it. If someone tells me, you really didn't summit unless you've stood on that boulder, either I'll tell them to F'off (likely) or I'll lie and say I stood on it... and then tell them to F'off. Or I'll give 'em this line of BS about standing normal to the plane cut by the high point in relation to the theoretical surface of the earth.

:p

-Dr. Grumpy...errrr, Dr. Wu
 
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Nate said:
I just visited the string Carole referenced, and one factoid shocked me: the true summit of Mount Davis isn't on the spur trail. Dang, I gotta stop doing these things when the visibility is only two feet. I know Post'r Boy's gonna swat me for asking, but is the true summit marked by a jar? I'm sure the true height of land is quite obvious when the summit isn't engorged by a rainy cloud.
nate, you wanna go whackin'??? we will find any jar yer lookin' fer!!
i ain't swatin nobody!! c'mon i'll go wid cha! :D :D :D :D
 
dms said:
For me, and I suspect almost all others doing bw peaks, finding the register is a big part of the challenge and reward of the trip. I have spent up to an hour looking for a register on thick, flat peaks. I find it interesting to read the entries and see how long it has been since the last person signed in. If someone wants to claim the peak without finding the register, that's their choice, most bushwackers I know never lie about it, they just say they couldn't find it.
i gotta find the jar,it's part o the fun fer me! if i don't find it i'll usually go back :eek: :D :eek: :D :eek:
 
Post'r Boy, I'll go gladly go whackin' with you. Since winter has arrived in the Whites, my bushwhacking season is over for the year, but come late May next year I'll go anytime. Which ever peak is at the top of your whackin' list at that point I'll gladly help you conquer. Just keep me posted once that time period rolls around.
 
hey!
south and central vermont is still easy pickins. open woods and (alot less snow) i think!! i usually play around there till winter sets in full up north! might you be up fer sumptin this sat or sun??
p.s. if yer up fer it we could go up to randolf and cresent and get all of them!! next may of course iffin you wants to. i'll be whackin' all winter! :D
 
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The best of the boulder summits is Wonalancet Hedgehog on the Walden Trail, it's about 10 to 12 feet high, some nice views from the top!
 
dms said:
The best of the boulder summits is Wonalancet Hedgehog on the Walden Trail, it's about 10 to 12 feet high, some nice views from the top!
the captain has a huge boulder summit!! if you don't jump on top of that one you ain't been to the summit!! :D :) :eek: ;)
 
The Captain's boulder!!! Oh well, another reason to go back for a third time!!
 
post'r boy said:
hey!
south and central vermont is still easy pickins. open woods and (alot less snow) i think!! i usually play around there till winter sets in full up north! might you be up fer sumptin this sat or sun??
p.s. if yer up fer it we could go up to randolf and cresent and get all of them!! next may of course iffin you wants to. i'll be whackin' all winter! :D

Post'r Boy, thanks for the invitation. Unfortunately, I'll be up in Acadia this weekend, and for the remaining decent weekends this year I'll be trying to knock off peaks like Smarts and Shaw. The good news is that by the time we're able to meet up for some quality whackin' in late May, you'll have thought of plenty of knarly summits to get me lost on. :D Who knows, maybe I'll even take you up on your offer to conquer the true summits I missed, such as Randolph, Crescent, Blue Ridge, Resolution, Davis, Monument, etc.
 
The Final Word

To bring everything full circle and return to the original point of this thread, I finally revisited Randolph and Crescent this past weekend, and found the canister on each. Due to the snowy conditions I encountered late last October, I would have had great difficulty locating either one, and wasn't dressed properly for trying.

For Randolph, the mountain's highest peak isn't noted on the AMC map, and since the point labeled as Mount Randolph on the map has the same elevation as that given on the Y-Alpine List, anyone who doesn't possess outside information would think this is the mountain's highest peak. I know when I passed through area the first time, I thought the north peak was merely a subsidiary peak on Randolph. Since the extent of the vertical rise of the true summit isn't visible from the trail, it isn't readily apparent that the north peak is the higher one. Besides, it's the 3081' peak that has a sign on it that says "Mount Randolph." Hence, anyone who doesn't have any outside information would have no reason to think that the trail doesn't pass over the mountain's high point.

As it is, on the north peak, there's two summit cones. From the trail's highest point on the peak, the land immediately leads up to the southwest cone. Its primary bump has some blue blazes and some surveyor's tape (which initially caused me to think this was the true high point). However, the mountain's true highpoint is to the northeast of there, through the saddle and over on the northeast cone. The highpoint is actually a very prominent summit bump that has a small view over to Adams, and the canister is very much still intact.

As for Crescent, because it's such a densely wooded summit, the highpoint can be difficult to locate (even though it is less than 200' from the trail, if not much less). All I did was wander around and check each summit bump I came to (it seems the easiest way to find the summit jar is to first just focus on locating the true highpoint on the mountain). Due to where I had entered the woods, I was lucky enough that I found the register within five minutes, so locating it wasn't nearly the struggle I thought it would be.

For whoever goes over there next, please bring a new bag for the register, because the current one is in pieces and has ceased to protect the pages from moisture.
 
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A side question - why the big concern about climbing a boulder as the high point? I mean, with that logic, shoudn't we all be climbing the highest tree where available at peaks?
 
Nate said:
Hence, anyone who doesn't have any outside information would have no reason to think that the trail doesn't pass over the mountain's high point.
I don't consider a USGS map to be "outside information". If you are climbing the 3K list, the peak used to be on the list as "N Randolph" to distinguish it from the lower named summit. If you are climbing the Y-List, then they want you to climb the trailed lower summit.
 
Roy, my point is only that when I purchased the AMC White Mountain Guide and the accompanying maps, my assumption was that all noteworthy peaks in the area were depicted and labeled on the maps. The maps seemed so detailed and complete that I simply thought that there was nothing mountain- or trailwise that the maps didn't depict. Obviously (thanks to Topozone and other resources) the information provided by USGS maps is very easy to access and available to anyone with Internet access, although it is "outside information" relative to just working exclusively from the AMC materials. However, for anyone who thinks that the AMC maps already provide quite sufficient information, they probably won't think to also consult the USGS maps to see what else is out there.

But, anyone following this thread now knows better. :)
 
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