Mt Adams is Holy Mountain of 19 in world

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I'm a big fan of the concept of democracy to settle such things. Better than relying on a small group with power to settle things. And definitely better than the bloody carnage when there is no clear single small group with power. But admittedly, there are problems with democracy.
  1. We don't live in a functional democracy, so there's that.
  2. It's unclear how to build durably just democratic institutions that are able manage our shared infrastructure (very much including our shared wild places) while not succumbing to take-over and corruption by a few.
  3. It's even less clear the degree to which, we as a species actually want democracy.
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Not sure what your point is here but LOVE all references to Monty Python And The Holy Grail. :p
 
How about the hiker who was leaving a bunch of painted rocks claiming to go back and retrieve them all a few years back?
Nope. Visibly deters from the summit. Can't stand finding painted rocks with motivational "pick me up" sayings. To me that is screaming "I need attention" and painted rocks aren't solving that problem. Depending on the mood I'm in some times those rocks find their way deep, deep into the woods away from the trail. I don't want to see that for one second or one year. Different from the rock I described. For all intents and purposes, that tribute was hidden to the environment and personal, not Instagram-ee bull<#$%$>.
 
I didn't know you were called Dennis.

Was that addressed to me? That comment seemed to come out of left field, but I did comment earlier on this thread.

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I haven't seen many canisters in NH, because I loathe bushwhacking. Now out west, that's a different story. On many of the 14ers I did, there were canisters present and I know that in CO and CA many of the peaks have canisters. To be honest, they not only didn't bother me, but they were also fun to sign and read. That being said, I can see the augment that they are not part of the natural landscape and if they were to become obsolete, it really wouldn't bother me as I can understand the principle behind it. The problem with trying to enforce or encourage principles like LNT is as soon as you make an exception, the door is open for other exceptions.
 
Whatever you believe about whatever object, the problem is we don't all agree. One solitary canister doesn't junk up a summit. Neither does one symbol painted on a rock. Or just one prayer flag. The problem is that everyone's being OK with one thing turns into MANY things and eventually it looks like <BLEEP>. Lots of prayer flags, multiple canisters, graffiti and eventually trash as more and more people see the mess and have less respect for the area and feel entitled to do what they want. The more popular the area, the more out of control it gets.

Did anyone watch the video on here about the kid from VT who climbed Everest? The summit looked like a bunch of people sitting in the town landfill. And that is supposed to be about the holiest of holy mountains. To simultaneously talk about the reverence and respect you have for a summit and also have no problem leaving all your crap laying around there once it's served it's purpose seems pretty absurd. I find that horrifying and massively detracts from that experience.

I'm a big fan of nothing. I like the wilderness being wilderness, not a local park near my house. There are lots of things out in the woods whose value can be validly argued, like the AMC huts, bridges, etc. but I'd prefer to see none of those things. Other than basic trail signs and blazes I really don't want to see anything else.
It's all about greed.

https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/holy-stink-piles-of-poop-litter-mt-everest

https://worldwideheadline.com/techn...tarts-to-stink-approximately-3-tons-of-feces/

 
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