Needing a new list, I was looking at the 2k prominence list, but found a couple of different versions. Great concept, makes a lot of sense, but Aaron Maizlish's map differs from the Schweiker/Earl/Martin/Tagliapietra list. Is there a consensus at this point? 54 or 56? (I'm pleased to see Maine's renamed Big Moose Mt. is one both lists!!)
N.E. 2,000 ft. Prominence (P2k's) List question
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i was wondering about access to the P2Ks - - - are any on private land? is there any info on which have trails (other than topo maps that may be older than any trails)?
most of the P2Ks that i have been on had nice views (although not all were 360 degrees and some would have had no views wothout a firetower) so i am hoping that as i work on the rest of the northeast P2Ks there will be lots of good views.
there are quite a few without views in the 4000' lists, many more without views in those "100" lists (and also a lot of the "100s" are on private land).
100 is not a geographial feature as is 4000' and P2K so the 4000' and P2K lists make a lot more sense than doing something just because it falls somewhere within "100" (ny top 100, adk top 100, ne top 100, nh top 100, etc.).
most of the P2Ks that i have been on had nice views (although not all were 360 degrees and some would have had no views wothout a firetower) so i am hoping that as i work on the rest of the northeast P2Ks there will be lots of good views.
there are quite a few without views in the 4000' lists, many more without views in those "100" lists (and also a lot of the "100s" are on private land).
100 is not a geographial feature as is 4000' and P2K so the 4000' and P2K lists make a lot more sense than doing something just because it falls somewhere within "100" (ny top 100, adk top 100, ne top 100, nh top 100, etc.).
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The list developed by Roy et. al. are not just 2ks, but the fifty highest in New Englnad which has 42 P2ks and 8 others less than 2k. perhaps that is the difference you see. The map only goes down to 2Ks (throwing in Gore since the uncertainty may mean it is actuall a P2k). It also doesn't show the ambiguity between Kibby and Caribou in Maine although I think it's in a foot note. Note also that other P2ks on the map are in New York and so clearly are not on the New England list. Roy can comment further since he's the man on prominence on this forum.
Note also that the list uses "clean" prominence which measures from the highest contour at the col and the lowest contour around a peak (absent a spot elevation). This differs from the AMC which uses what you might call "interpolated" prominence which adds half a contour to both col and peak for it's 200' rule.
The answer to the access question is that a few are on paper company land. I think 1 in Vermont and a bunch in Maine, but access should not be a problem and in almost all cases I don't even think you need to ask. No fences, nobody shooting at you.
I'm actively pursueing the NE FF list. Glad to have some company.
Pb
Note also that the list uses "clean" prominence which measures from the highest contour at the col and the lowest contour around a peak (absent a spot elevation). This differs from the AMC which uses what you might call "interpolated" prominence which adds half a contour to both col and peak for it's 200' rule.
The answer to the access question is that a few are on paper company land. I think 1 in Vermont and a bunch in Maine, but access should not be a problem and in almost all cases I don't even think you need to ask. No fences, nobody shooting at you.
I'm actively pursueing the NE FF list. Glad to have some company.
Pb
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>>I'm actively pursueing the NE FF list. Glad to have some company.<<
what is the "NE FF" list?
what is the "NE FF" list?
PapaBear - The disparity I'm seeing doesn't involve NE FF...The MAP showing the Northeast 2kp's has Boundary Bald, Maine, but not Putnam, VT.
The LIST has Putnam, but not Boundary Bald nor Gore or East, NH. So the map has 56, the list 54. Unless a consensus has since been reached.
The LIST has Putnam, but not Boundary Bald nor Gore or East, NH. So the map has 56, the list 54. Unless a consensus has since been reached.
Papa Bear
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Guess I'm not sure what list you're using. I'm referring to the list on Mohamed's site: New England Most Prominent Peaks. It has 50 peaks (Kibby and Caribou count as one). It has Boundary Bald, Gore and East. It is attributed to Roy and Andy Martin.
Maybe that other list you found was an earlier draft. It's time to ask Roy.
Pb
Maybe that other list you found was an earlier draft. It's time to ask Roy.
Pb
Papa Bear
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A note on the name "Putnam". Aaron didn't just make it up. It's apparently used locally and from the Day Hiker's Guide to Vermont (published by the GMC), page 253, where it describes the Worcester Mountains, I quote: "... the highest point (3,642 ft.) is a nameless peak sometimes referred to as Mt. Putnam ..."RoySwkr said:
BTW: this is a beautiful area and the Skyline Trail, which traverses the ridge is a true gem. Hopefully you'll get better weather than Meo and I got when you hike it.
Pb
Right on the money as usual Misters Schweiker and Papa Bear. I looked a little more closely at the aforementioned lists and finally realized Mt. Worcester=Mt. Putnam. Duh. The only other question pertains to Vermont's Cold Hollow Highpoint. On some lists, not on others.
I do like the concept where a long ridge isn't counted multiple times...thus NH's Moriah-Imp-Carter-Carter-Carter-Carter-Hight gets same prominence as Vermont's lonely Mt. Ascutney. Monadnock's rule!
I do like the concept where a long ridge isn't counted multiple times...thus NH's Moriah-Imp-Carter-Carter-Carter-Carter-Hight gets same prominence as Vermont's lonely Mt. Ascutney. Monadnock's rule!
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On an earlier version of the map, instead of "Cold Hollow" there was "3327". The actual peak isn't labelled on the map: Cold Hollow topo, but the range is labelled "Cold Hollow Mountains". Look for "3327" on the list you are looking at, if you see it, it's "Cold Hollow". I guess technically the peak in unnamed.bigmoose said:
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For those interested in both county highpoints and prominence Adam Helman has just posted a map of CoHPs with P2K or P5K. To my amazement Black Mountain (Washington County, NY, elevation 2,646 feet) makes the list. It is obviously surrounded by very low elevation terrain in all directions!
The other two CoHPs that I bagged are obviously on the list, Essex (Mt. Marcy) and Clinton (Lyon Mountain), as are the two that I had been planning to attempt; Warren (Gore Mountain) and Hamilton (Snowy Mountain).
Bagging all the New York P2Ks seems a lot easier than bagging all the pseudo-4Ks!
The other two CoHPs that I bagged are obviously on the list, Essex (Mt. Marcy) and Clinton (Lyon Mountain), as are the two that I had been planning to attempt; Warren (Gore Mountain) and Hamilton (Snowy Mountain).
Bagging all the New York P2Ks seems a lot easier than bagging all the pseudo-4Ks!
Mohamed -
Your Warren County, NY highpoint, Gore Mt., (#84, ADK HH) does not qualify for 2kP according to my maps.
You may be thinking of Gore, VT...although that peak comes up 4 feet(!) shy according to Roy's NEFF list....
JT
Your Warren County, NY highpoint, Gore Mt., (#84, ADK HH) does not qualify for 2kP according to my maps.
You may be thinking of Gore, VT...although that peak comes up 4 feet(!) shy according to Roy's NEFF list....
JT
No, I was not thinking of Gore Mtn, VT. I was unfortunately not thinking, period. It is the one peak planned for that trip that does not make the list.
