Off Trail Fatal on Kinsman

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What helmet did you buy and then not use? I use an outdated bicycle helmet with a brimmed hat underneath. The hat has slots cut for the helmet straps, and the helmet was selected from my collection as one where I could unthread the strap, thread the strap through the hat slots, and rethread the strap for the helmet. Most bicycle helmets have sewn straps which prevent adding the brimmed hat cleanly. I have met one other person doing summer hiking with a helmet. She also had knee pads and maybe other pads, possibly hockey, because as she said she frequently fell and wanted to minimize injury.
It was a basic climbing helmet from I think Black Diamond. There entry level general purpose version. Like $70, maybe less. The last time I came across it in my various bins of stuff all the styrofoam on the inside of it fell out. Did a little Googling and apparently like ropes and other gear you should just toss it at a certain age regardless of condition. So It tossed it.
 
I would not carry a helmet for winter hiking in the Whites, it's just not needed. IN CO and CA when climbing gullies or open rock scree slopes, yes a helmet is mandatory to avoid falling ice or rocks. I still have my helmet, and it has a few chunks and dents from getting hit. If you were climbing in Tucks or Huntingtons or any other ravine here in NH in the winter, definitely a helmet is mandatory. I know people want to address issues like this and be proactive, but in my humble opinion, this guy's issue was not head wear, it was traction, if you don't fall, you don't hit your head. I say this with both speculation and respect, no intention to impugn this poor gentleman.
 
This is b.s. meant to sell more helmets.

https://helmets.org/replace.htm
That is what I assumed. IIRC it had something to do with the plastic degrading or whatever. I can understand ropes aging, weakening from abrasions, etc and their obvious importance but unless something smacked the helmet and you didn't store it at the bottom of your swimming pool I'd think it would last.
 
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I would not carry a helmet for winter hiking in the Whites, it's just not needed. IN CO and CA when climbing gullies or open rock scree slopes, yes a helmet is mandatory to avoid falling ice or rocks. I still have my helmet, and it has a few chunks and dents from getting hit. If you were climbing in Tucks or Huntingtons or any other ravine here in NH in the winter, definitely a helmet is mandatory. I know people want to address issues like this and be proactive, but in my humble opinion, this guy's issue was not head wear, it was traction, if you don't fall, you don't hit your head. I say this with both speculation and respect, no intention to impugn this poor gentleman.
I don't know. There have been years where the ice has been nasty and I can see having something to absorb a blow to the back of the head from falling. I've taken some pretty good spills on pretty flat terrain on particularly hard ice. Never had the helmet and never hit my head but I can see it. Certainly doesn't seem like a mandatory item on all hikes but I see the case for having one depending on the conditions and your choice of trail. You can't just assume you'll never fall.
 
That is what I assumed. IIRC it had something to do with the plastic degrading or whatever. I can understand ropes aging, weakening from abrasions, etc and their obvious importance but unless something smacked the helmet and you didn't store it at the bottom of your swimming pool I'd think it would last.

The sun weakens helmets​

Then there is the sun, which makes bike helmets deteriorate invisibly. UV rays affect the shell of the helmet, which risks becoming brittle with time. That’s why many helmet manufacturers say to keep your helmet in a cool, dark place when not in use.

https://mipsprotection.com/helmet-s...The sun weakens helmets,place when not in use.

Better safe than sorry. Personally, I don't cheap out when it comes to my own grey matter.
 
I disagree. It depends on what helmet you have and what you are using it for. Not a black and white issue IMO and far from B.S. Just read your own article you posted.
It is black & white. Time/age of helmet alone is not a valid reason to throw away a helmet.
 
I would not carry a helmet for winter hiking in the Whites, it's just not needed. IN CO and CA when climbing gullies or open rock scree slopes, yes a helmet is mandatory to avoid falling ice or rocks. I still have my helmet, and it has a few chunks and dents from getting hit. If you were climbing in Tucks or Huntingtons or any other ravine here in NH in the winter, definitely a helmet is mandatory. I know people want to address issues like this and be proactive, but in my humble opinion, this guy's issue was not head wear, it was traction, if you don't fall, you don't hit your head. I say this with both speculation and respect, no intention to impugn this poor gentleman.
Is it not possible that it was the combination of improper traction and not having protective headwear. I would say there is a high probability of Head Trauma involved with this accident. I agree most folks don't need Helmets while hiking but this gentleman was off trail on an icy slide scouting ski terrain by himself ropeless. Therefore, the potential for high exposure could have been present. I look at it this way. Most these days if skiing this particular terrain than less likely would have been wearing a helmet. Whether a helmet in this instance would have saved a fatality is debatable and we will probably never know. In general, wearing a helmet for outdoor activities is a personal decision and not a mandatory one. In other words, left up to the participant. Interestingly when helmets started showing up at ski resorts it was a big debate whether they were necessary for recreational skiers. Then more and more people started wearing them until they became kool or in so to speak. Again not saying this is what needs to happen with hiking but to each his own. Heck when I first started rock climbing in the mid 70's hardly anyone wore helmets including myself. When I look back on it probably not the best decision. Of course then, one of the only helmets available was "The Joe Dodge" which was heavy as all heck as it was analogous to wearing a carved out bowling ball. Helmets are much more svelte now and have come along way and only keep getting better. Do what you want with your own cranium out there but IMO there is a time for a helmet and one that is appropriate for the activity at hand.
 
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It is black & white. Time/age of helmet alone is not a valid reason to throw away a helmet.
I agree but there is room for interpretation IMO. There are other factors involved when it is definitely time to retire a helmet IMO. See my post above. I guess I'm also in the camp of being safe than sorry and not worrying about spending a buck every once in a while, on protective headwear. One thing I know newer helmets are a lot more comfortable and fit better. Which by the way contributes to a higher rate of safety. Technology just keeps getting better. Do you have a helmet tester in your garage we can all use? If you want to wear an inferior piece of equipment from 20 years ago in hopes of avoiding TBI that is your and only your personal decision. Not mine.
 
Live free or die as they say. Old helmet, new helmet, no helmet.
 
Is it not possible that it was the combination of improper traction and not having protective headwear. I would say there is a high probability of Head Trauma involved with this accident. I agree most folks don't need Helmets while hiking but this gentleman was off trail on an icy slide scouting ski terrain by himself ropeless. Therefore, the potential for high exposure could have been present. I look at it this way. Most these days if skiing this particular terrain more than likely most would have been wearing a helmet. Whether a helmet in this instance would have saved a fatality is debatable and we will probably never know. In general, wearing a helmet for outdoor activities is a personal decision and not a mandatory one. In other words, left up to the participant. Interestingly when helmets started showing up at ski resorts it was a big debate whether they were necessary for recreational skiers. Then more and more people started wearing them until they became kool or in so to speak. Again not saying this is what needs to happen with hiking but to each his own. Heck when I first started rock climbing in the mid 70's hardly anyone wore helmets including myself. When I look back on it probably not the best decision. Of course then, one of the only helmets available was "The Joe Dodge" which was heavy as all heck as it was analogous to wearing a carved out bowling ball. Helmets are much more svelte now and have come along way and only keep getting better. Do what you want with your own cranium out there but IMO there is a time for a helmet and one that is appropriate for the activity at hand.
You make some very valid points, and I agree that head trauma is a big possibility, so yes a helmet in this case, speculation aside might have been a good idea. Your point on specific applications and the associated gear is quite accurate. It reminds me of my climbs out west, they required more thought and more gear, helmet, ice axe, crampons, rope, sometimes took it all, sometimes didn't need most of it.
 
It is black & white. Time/age of helmet alone is not a valid reason to throw away a helmet.
Then it would only stand to reason to consider the other variables at play. Which are many which support replacing an old helmet.
 
This is b.s. meant to sell more helmets.

https://helmets.org/replace.htm

That would be my default thinking as well. And "follow the money" would reinforce that thinking.

But I would like to relate an anecdote that may or may not have a bearing:

About 10 years ago, on the last day of the ski season, the local hill declared that they would run the lifts for free that day. I hadn't skied in close to 10 years, but I figured, it's free, I hadn't been in a while, and it was close by. Put my, at that point, approximately 25 year old gear in the car. When changing into my boots in the lodge, when I put the second boot on and tried to close one of the clasps, the boot literally exploded around my foot.

I was glad it happened then, and not on the slope. Best I can figure is something in the plastic gradually off-gassed over 25 years, leaving what remained brittle.

Just one anecdote, maybe means nothing. Don't have any idea of how related the plastics making up my boot are related to the stuff making up modern helmets, and hopefully advancements in materials science over the last 30 years has resulted in far better performance for modern helmets. But, as Rod Serling might say, "Submitted for your consideration".

TomK
 
That would be my default thinking as well. And "follow the money" would reinforce that thinking.

But I would like to relate an anecdote that may or may not have a bearing:

About 10 years ago, on the last day of the ski season, the local hill declared that they would run the lifts for free that day. I hadn't skied in close to 10 years, but I figured, it's free, I hadn't been in a while, and it was close by. Put my, at that point, approximately 25 year old gear in the car. When changing into my boots in the lodge, when I put the second boot on and tried to close one of the clasps, the boot literally exploded around my foot.

I was glad it happened then, and not on the slope. Best I can figure is something in the plastic gradually off-gassed over 25 years, leaving what remained brittle.

Just one anecdote, maybe means nothing. Don't have any idea of how related the plastics making up my boot are related to the stuff making up modern helmets, and hopefully advancements in materials science over the last 30 years has resulted in far better performance for modern helmets. But, as Rod Serling might say, "Submitted for your consideration".

TomK
Shouldn't have thrown out my helmet. If I ever go downhill skiing again and pull my gear out of he garage I might have needed it to avoid a head injury while I was buckling the boots. :p
 
Shouldn't have thrown out my helmet. If I ever go downhill skiing again and pull my gear out of he garage I might have needed it to avoid a head injury while I was buckling the boots. :p
I get where your coming from. If you go look at The Gondala Scene from the Movie “Hot Dog” everything was exploding.
 
Of course then, one of the only helmets available was "The Joe Dodge" which was heavy as all heck as it was analogous to wearing a carved out bowling ball.
As much as this audience revers Joe Dodge, the helmet you are referencing was a Joe Brown you are referencing was a Joe Brown, That and the Bell Topex were the choices back then. And you are right no one wore then.

Helmets can protect you from things falling on your head or you falling on your head. Climbing helmets are more designed for the former but the use case discussed here seems to be the latter.

An appropriate quote from Tom Patey (you who profess to have been climbers 50 years ago should know who that is):
"a helmet is of particular benefit to the falling climber if the fall is a long one. In these cases, if the climber lands the right way, he will be completely telescoped into a small globular mass inside the helmet which can be easily stowed inside a rucksack by the mountain rescue team.."
 
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