Old Men on Moxie (9/22)

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buckyball1

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Amicus, BigMoose and I met at the post office in Bingham this morning to give Moxie a spin. We had talked about the hike for some time, but almost canceled due to potential rain (i just wasn't up for another battering today). We had fog/mist most of day and some wet woods, but in general the weather was OK (no rain).

After leaving cars in Bingham, we headed up Rt 16 to Troutdale/Townline Road and headed north toward Dimmick Ponds. Not one of the dirt roads was signed; bring your Delormes. We talked to a few locals along the way and were lucky to run into a guy on the Dimmick Pond Road who lead us right to our anticipated start point. There is extensive bear hunting in the area and our benefactor was one of a group that had been hunting for some days. They were doing a "drive" (his topo had a ton of bear bait sites on it), but fortunately they were hunting away from Moxie today and he said the worst we'd encounter was a bear running by chased by dogs. :)

We left the car and started hiking near the point used by Nate and Oncoman - followed skid roads/slash much of the way to find the bottom of the slide without too much difficulty (you play tag with a stream as you near the slide). The slide is fairly steep and a "crumbly" type with lots of bear tracks, but made for easy height gain. After one last really steep section, the slide ends abruptly and we headed into the woods on a bearing for the top. This section between the top of the slide and the summit was by far the most difficult part of the hike both up and down--moderately thick with a moose path now and then.

BigMoose was a super leader as we headed through the woods and after the requisite amount of effort to make it worthwhile, we found the summit with it's communications towers/buildings and helipad. I noticed the path used by Oncoman down the other side of Moxie, but no traverse for us today. After the obligatory summit photos with Amicus' bottle of Moxie we headed down to escape the wind and mist--no views at all from anywhere on this hike. As per usual, we fell off the ridge a bit and made things interesting as we had the always fun task of slabbing to get back to the slide. A nice trudge down the slide then back out through fairly open woods and the slash paths allowed us to chat easily.

As we left our start point and headed out past the trailers/tents of the bear hunters, we talked to another group headed by "Bear" a Maine guide. He was interested in what we were up to and regaled us for some time with ways we could defend ourselves from the large number of bears in the immediate area. Most of the procedures of defense Bear discussed involved implements we weren't in the habit of using often :eek: and the loud whistle defense seemed our best bet. Bear was a nice guy and seemed genuinely concerned with being a steward of the bear population he hunted.

Back to Bingham, some friendly chatter about our day and we scattered for home -BigMoose headed for Baxter. It was great being with these guys today-lots in common to banter about and we may have set the record for 3 fools on Moxie totaling close to 180 years.

jim
 
"Old men"? I don't follow you, unless you mean older than a few of the striplings who prattle on here.

As an enthusiastic drinker of Moxie for decades, I'd always wondered which came first - the drink or the Maine Lake and Mountain. Google didn't tell me, but did inform me that Moxie was our first national soft-drink, invented by Dr. A. Thompson of Union, Maine in 1876. In those days, "Moxie was said to cure ailments ranging from softening of the brain to 'loss of manhood'." So that's why I've avoided those! :)

My few pix are here . BigMoose took some better ones, but his further adventures will delay them for a bit.
 
Amicus said:
older than a few of the striplings who prattle on here.

This relative "stripling" hopes you mean that in the kindliest way...

Anyway, what do you guys think about the condition of that slide? Would it sustain repeated use, or would you recommend others take a different route in order to preserve the condition of it and avoid unnecessary erosion? I suspect I will be climbing that peak before the snow flies, but I don't want to damage any fragile terrain, or encourage others to copy a sensitive route... what are your opinions?
 
Hi Albee--opinions will surely differ, but i say climb the slide--it is rotten rock and gravel and has the potential for erosion, but i don't think there's going to be a sudden run on Moxie and from what we saw there are far more large carnivores than people that pose this risk to the slide--you could wack the summit diretissima from the parking spot, but...have fun
 
albee said:
Anyway, what do you guys think about the condition of that slide? Would it sustain repeated use, or would you recommend others take a different route in order to preserve the condition of it and avoid unnecessary erosion?

Albee, isn't a slide by definition "erosion"?
:eek: :D :D :confused:

oop's, don't want to hijack this thread :eek: . Great job guy's, good trip report!!
 
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buckyball1 said:
Hi Albee--opinions will surely differ, but i say climb the slide--it is rotten rock and gravel and has the potential for erosion, but i don't think there's going to be a sudden run on Moxie and from what we saw there are far more large carnivores than people that pose this risk to the slide--

I am in accord with jim on this. The bears are going to keep on using this regardless of anthropoids, and one of them tops 500 pounds, according to Bear, our Maine guide. (We did see some enormous paw-prints on the Slide.) It is at least as stable as the slide on Owl's Head, but I guess that doesn't prove anything either way.

And albee, I'm not sure I'd even consider you a "stripling" (unless you're younger than you look). In truth, some of my best friends are striplings (def. - "adolescents"), and there are certainly moments when I envy them their fresh legs - the miles add up no matter how hard you work to stay in shape.
 
Thanks, guys... that's exactly the beta I was hoping to get... if three "veterans" with all those accumulated years of hiking experience call it kosher, then I feel comfortable in travelling on it.

I only ask because there are some people on this board that are protective of slides and their whereabouts... more so in the ADKs, I guess. If it was described as "crumbly", it sends up a red flag to me that if it sees increased use it will turn into a mess.

And yes, a slide is absolutely classified as erosion, but sustained human use could cause it to erode unnaturally and unnecessarily. For more inane banter on whether this subject is even worthwhile to discuss, see the thread called "It's debatable" in the NY Q&A forum.

Oh, and Mike - if someone called me a stripling I'd feel complimented - it's the prattling on part that I may resemble, er, I mean resent! ;)
 
Amicus said:
And albee, I'm not sure I'd even consider you a "stripling" (unless you're younger than you look). In truth, some of my best friends are striplings (def. - "adolescents"), and there are certainly moments when I envy them their fresh legs - the miles add up no matter how hard you work to stay in shape.

Someone, that I presume is one of the "striplings" that you refer to, would consider people like Albee (and me) to be in the same category as you and the other two on your hike. As I recall from our Bonds traverse, she thinks 30 is old.
 
albee said:
Oh, and Mike - if someone called me a stripling I'd feel complimented - it's the prattling on part that I may resemble, er, I mean resent! ;)

I too would feel good about being called one of those - that won't happen, except maybe facetiously. :( Moment of truth - I have been known to prattle myself, so am in no position to criticize. :)

But seriously - I do not believe that all slides are fair game, and have seen a few "fresh" ones that I think should be avoided for environmental reasons. This one, however, is pretty well-seasoned, and there are only a couple of spots that are steep.
 
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