Overlook Mountain (Catskills)

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On Sunday, 3/11, five of us hiked Overlook Mountain, just outside of Woodstock, NY. Participants were Carlo, daughter Sandra, Alan, Joanne, and I. One of the highest hundred, this is a very popular walk that follows an old carriage road almost all the way to the summit. We enjoyed the warmer temps, and the sky was partly cloudy, which gave way to almost all sun on top. We dressed in our usual hiking garb, which really made us stand out from others, many dressed in jeans, sneakers, etc. Some icy patches along the way, but only boots needed until the last half mile or so, when we decided that Stabilicers was a good idea (one member wore crampons).

Carol and David White’s ADK guide (Catskill Trails, 3rd edition) contains the following description: “Pierre DeLabigarre, a French Revolutionist, was probably the first to write about the views from this mountain, after his climb in 1793. In 1833, James Booth built a temporary hotel there. It too until 1871 to establish a permanent hotel. It burned to the ground on April Fool’s Day in 1874, when no one would believe a child who tried to convince staff that the smoke in the chimney was darker than usual. Rebuilt in 1878, it burned down again in 1924. The struggle to keep it open ended, in the midst of rebuilding yet again, with the stock market crash of 1929. Remnants of the half-finished foundations are still visible.” (see photo link for some shots of the remains).

We were told by a knowledgeable member of our party that the mountain is a haven for rattlesnakes. The summit sports an accessible firetower, picnic table, transmission tower of some sort, and a ranger’s cabin, which contains (or used to contain) some exhibits on rattlesnakes. It was a little breezy, so we decided to have lunch by the cabin. But the best part of the trip was the overlook on Overlook, a couple of hundred feet beyond the cabin. With only 38 Catskill hikes under our belt, we are relative Catskill newbies, but this view was the best we have encountered thus far. Joanne’s pictures (or those from any still camera) don’t do the 180-degree panorama justice, with sweeping views from the Hudson River over to the mountains (perhaps Slide-Cornell-Wittenberg?), and the reservoir (Ashokan?). A hard view to leave, and it’s no wonder it’s such a popular walk.
 
Yes, the cabin is manned by volunteers in the warmer months. There are some nice exhibits inside.

And the views are to die for, even though they are looking out of the Catskills.
 
Nice report and pictures. Glad you enjoyed our Overlook. It is a favorite of many.

Yes that is the Ashokan Reservoir you saw. It is also possible to see Cooper Lake (much smaller) which is a reservoir for Kingston. And you do have a view of Wittenberg, Cornell, and Slide. The transmission tower broadcasts WRNN TV, channel 62; and WAMK FM 90.9, NPR radio, a satellite of WAMC headquartered in Albany. The tower was built before state acquisition, and the owners have about 90 years remaining on a long term lease. The tower is still a thorn to many Woodstock residents, although many enjoy the stations. I have seen rattlesnakes several times at the summit and at the Overlook cliffs which gave the mountain its name. For the most part they are shy and docile, but you may catch them having a bad scale day on occasion. Most of the time they flee long before you see them.

Concerning the hotel. It is often written that the Stock Market crash or the Depression did in the third hotel building. That is not quite accurate.

There was an article in the May-June 1976 issue of DEC magazine The Conservationist, "My Grandfather and the Mountain", written by Bill Newgold, grandson of Morris Newgold who built the ill fated third hotel we see in ruins today. The article has quite a bit of history that I have not seen elsewhere. Morris Newgold was the owner of the Times Square Hotel in NYC. He purchased the second Overlook Hotel in 1917 and restored it to profitability. It burned in 1924. Morris Newgold sold the Times Square Hotel and used the proceeds to fund the new concrete hotel on Overlook. Work began in 1927. He was not invested in the stock markets, and so was unaffected by the stock market crash. Construction work continued on the hotel through the depression until Morris Newgold became ill in 1939. The exterior was essentially done. A central wooden tower rose 4 stories above the current roof line, shown here.

The hotel was boarded up in 1940, but was quickly vandalized. It is often said that many houses built near the mountain in the subsequent years were equipped with plumbing taken from the hotel. World War II and the changing tastes in American travel were the final blows that kept the hotel from completion. Additional info and photos are on the Hudson Valley Ruins website.

The "1928 House" behind the hotel was completed and opened. It housed a few guests, although it primarily housed the staff overseeing the work on the hotel construction. As late as the 1970s much of the wood interior of the 1928 House remained, and several times I walked through the rooms. Eventually the building was gutted for safety reasons. For the same reason the DEC has discussed fencing off or demolishing the concrete remains of both buildings, but for now they are considered stable enough to leave as they are.
 
Thanks Mark, for all of the additional history behind this mountain. I was expecting (and hoping) you would reply!

Dick
 
Ha, I sometimes listen to 90.9FM as I'm driving through the catskills, or I'll listen to WDST 100.1FM out of Woodstock and sometimes 101.5FM WPDH

I've only hiked to Overlook at night, which is a nice trip too cause you can see the lights of Kingston and the town of Catskills. In fact, I think Overlook and those cliffs would make a great place to view fireworks during July 4th celebrations... You could probably see multiple firings too if the dates are synced right.

Jay
 
Jay H said:
I've only hiked to Overlook at night, which is a nice trip too cause you can see the lights of Kingston and the town of Catskills. In fact, I think Overlook and those cliffs would make a great place to view fireworks during July 4th celebrations... You could probably see multiple firings too if the dates are synced right.
The fireworks shows are widely dispersed, so you may not get the multistage effect from the Overlook balcony seating. But it would mean more options for viewing. I have never tried mountain viewing. I am usually front row, center to "fill the frame" in my camera.

The Saugerties and Kingston shows are often notoriously "late", sometimes starting after 10 pm.
- Saugerties is always on July 4
- Catskill is also generally on July 4
- Kingston is the prior Sunday. A second show is usually the second Friday in July.
The following are on a weekend either side of the 4th:
- Friar Tuck resort, north of Palenville
- Germantown in southern Columbia County
- Cairo (may not be that visible from Overlook)
 
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