Santanoni distances?

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drweo

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What is the mileage and elevation gain for the Santanoni Range? I have seen posts saying it is 14.5, 15.5, 17 and 18 miles. Anyone have an accurate take on that. What about the elevation gains? I realize the distances are a little different for the two different routes up Santanoni ("Express" and Panther Brook/Times Square/Santanoni). Also, does anyone know the actual trail distance Times Square to Couch? It feels like a long long way....
 
15.4 miles in loop (using Santanoni trail and Bradley Pond trail, up or down), i.e., no out and back to Santanoni from TS.

Total ascent = 5000 feet.

Times Sq. to Couchie is 1.5 miles
 
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