2024: Leas snow than normal

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Content free personal attack by an anonymous troll. Just another day in the life of skiguy. Say, troll, how about you tell us your name and give a photo of yourself?

Man I agree with your position but you've been absolutely insufferable in this thread. We're all supposed to be friends here or at least acquaintances. Dude's been on this board for twenty years. Calling him a troll isn't true nor helpful. skiguy could be a lizard person on the other end for all I care.

Anyway my two cents: We are not a serious nation. I have a hard time seeing us make an honest attempt to tackle this problem. I expect tumultuous times ahead.
 
Man I agree with your position but you've been absolutely insufferable in this thread. We're all supposed to be friends here or at least acquaintances. Dude's been on this board for twenty years. Calling him a troll isn't true nor helpful. skiguy could be a lizard person on the other end for all I care.

Anyway my two cents: We are not a serious nation. I have a hard time seeing us make an honest attempt to tackle this problem. I expect tumultuous times ahead.
I agree with the facts of global warming given here. But throwing shade on those that don't agree does nothing to promote your cause. I find it farcical that those in the know feel that the ones that perceivably don't agree gives carte blanche to them to put down and suggest ostracism of those individuals. IMO these issues demand discussion if they are going to get better. Inclusion is therefore mandatory by everyone. So, with all this rhetoric, has anyone here made a conscious effort to reduce their carbon footprint. If so, what have you done and can you report any tangible individual results???
 
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has anyone here made a conscious effort to reduce their carbon footprint. If so, what have you done and can you report any tangible individual results.
We moved to Wyoming where most of our electricity is generated from coal...Oh wait:eek:

And, we get better gas mileage because of the altitude...

Edit: they are building a new type of nuclear power plant down the road a ways (in WY), which unless the greenies try to kill it, will be a step in the right direction.
 
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has anyone here made a conscious effort to reduce their carbon footprint. If so, what have you done and can you report any tangible individual results.
I'll bite :)

I have commuted by bicycle an average of around 100 days per year each of the last 10 years (and more, but unrecorded), at 5.5 kg CO2 saved per day (per Strava), so, call it 5500+ kg CO2 saved, give or take :)

Tangible individual results? Well, it helps keep the weight in check, and saved probably 500+ gallons of gas in the same time.

Tim
p.s. Please be kind to each other :)
 
We moved to Wyoming where most of our electricity is generated from coal...Oh wait:eek:

And, we get better gas mileage because of the altitude...
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Yes, Wyoming has many windmills, and is a leader in wind power generation:

  • Wind farms
    Wyoming has around 20 wind farms, mostly in Converse and Carbon counties.

  • Renewable electricity
    In 2023, renewable energy sources generated 23% of Wyoming's electricity, with wind power accounting for about 90% of the state's renewable electricity.

  • Wind potential
    Wyoming has one of the highest wind power potentials of any state in the United States.
 
Given the way the world and how people treat each other. Maybe the earths survival isn't the best option after all. One only has to look at this group as a small experiment. We all are here because of one reason, we love the mountains. Yet, the comradery that should exist, is tenuous at best.
 
Re: "What have you done?"
With great persistence, I recycled a lithium-ion battery today. It took some research to find the right place, but I was determined not to dump it. It was right near a trailhead for a greenway, so I then went for a long walk on the greenway.
 
  • Wind potential
    Wyoming has one of the highest wind power potentials of any state in the United States.
Truer words were never spoken. There is a large wind turbine farm (100+)that is visible on the horizon from our home. But, even out here, there are days when those monster turbines are still, and backup power is required.
 

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A record-breaking average global temperature for 2024 is all the more remarkable because the year has been influenced by La Niña rather than by El Niño, so greenhouse gas emissions are now more than offsetting another cyclic natural climate variable besides the orbitally-forced cycles noted earlier.
Have there been studies (I'm sure there have been I just haven't seen them) that identify an actual temperature change value and equate it to x amount of sea level rise or there would be no snow left or whatever? When I was researching ice core samples I'm pretty sure I saw a reference to a temperature drop of just 4 deg C ushering in the last Ice Age. Is that all it takes? See tons of references to the temperature rising, the temperature is the highest ever, etc but no mention of what actual temperature would be the catastrophic point (I get that it is not absolute and a lot of stuff has been changing right along). Just see a lot of "If the temperature keeps rising....".

And to be clear, I'm not asking this question to "stoke the pot". I'd be curious to read more on the subject.
 
I have commuted by bicycle an average of around 100 days per year each of the last 10 years (and more, but unrecorded), at 5.5 kg CO2 saved per day (per Strava), so, call it 5500+ kg CO2 saved, give or take :)
That's not even one cow fart....:ROFLMAO: (Glad to see you still lurking on here)
 
That's not even one cow fart....:ROFLMAO: (Glad to see you still lurking on here)
Based on Tim’s history he has that covered. It’s important to point out the problems. But solutions are even more important!
 

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Early on in this thread, I wrote that I would “shut up on this thread”, because it was already far afield of discussion of hiking. Some responded that I should “please do” and accompanied that statement with language which appeared to be an attempt to bully and intimidate those with a different view from theirs. Despite very much wanting to respond to many of the things written on this thread, I continued to “shut up”, not because of bullying or intimidation, but mostly, because I said I would, and also because the discussion was getting farther and farther afield of hiking and backpacking.

The discussion getting farther and farther afield of hiking and backpacking ship has clearly sailed on without me, so I would like to jump back in for the very limited purpose of responding to skiguy’s excellent question:

has anyone here made a conscious effort to reduce their carbon footprint. If so, what have you done and can you report any tangible individual results???

I hope my response will contain nothing controversial. As it pertains to my own experience, no one can be more informed on that subject than me.

My answer is “No”. Not to reduce solely my carbon footprint.

I’ve made considerable efforts for pretty much my whole adult life to reducing my entire footprint. Any reduction in my carbon footprint is merely a byproduct of the effort to reduce the whole footprint. After all, isn’t doing so just “leave no trace” writ large? One may come very close on a hike or backpack to leaving no trace. Applying that principle to the way one lives one’s life, I don’t believe you can come close, but that’s no reason not to do the best you can, and to come as close as you can.

The Yankee mantra of “Use it up! Wear it out! Make it do! Do without!” was drilled into my brain from an early age. I grew to hate waste of any kind, to avoid it whenever possible. The author of the universe placed great resources at our disposal for our use, but not for abuse or waste. What disrespect it would be to waste, despoil, abuse resources simply because we can. Conserving our great blessings is a good for its own sake.

I generally get 10+ years and 250,000 miles from a car. I generally buy economical models that get good fuel economy. One time, because I had a long commute, I splurged on a car that was more luxurious than I would have gotten otherwise, because I would be spending a lot of time in it. But I still made sure it got 30 mpg! Only got 235,000 miles out of that one. Tangible result: The cars I didn’t buy because I drove vehicles until they wouldn’t go any more used exactly zero resources for manufacture, transport and disposal. Got to reduce the carbon footprint, no? Also, because when negotiating a car purchase, I’m the amateur, and the car salesman is the professional, there is no way I am coming out ahead on that negotiation – the best thing I can do is reduce the number of times I come out on the short end!

I buy very little processed food, my recycle is always much fuller than my trash bin, it’s not unusual to go a month or more before the trash bin is full enough to merit putting the bin out for collection. I compost my garbage. Have a berry patch with raspberries, and blackberries. Until recently, I had a garden with tomato, pepper, green beans, lettuce. Tangible result: Cheaper, less resources used, better food to eat.

Never been a fashion plate. Choose my clothes for function and then wear them out. Tangible result: Cheaper, less resources used. Both have got to reduce the carbon footprint, no?

Use the same TV I bought in 1979 when I got my first “real job”. It still works. Still “good enough”. Similar story for other such “stuff’. Use skills I have accumulated over the years to repair stuff, or to adapt stuff to a different purpose, rather than throw away and buy new. You get the idea. Tangible result: Stuff I didn’t buy used no resources to create, or transport, and stuff I didn’t throw away because I never obtained it in the first place despoiled nothing.

I could go on at great length, boring you to tears in the process if I haven’t already done so, but you get the idea.

I live comfortably enough, but frugally. Try to keep my footprint light. Won’t say I always succeed, but I honestly think I mostly do. Tangible result: By living frugally and keeping my footprint light, I used fewer resources, and instead, saved money that would be spent living a more wasteful lifestyle. Waste is expensive!

Tangible result: I was able to retire in my age 50 year. Not because I was rich, but because I just didn’t need a big income for a lifestyle that seeks to waste as little as possible, the small income from my savings was sufficient. I can’t prove it, but I have to think that my entire footprint, including my carbon footprint, is smaller than many other’s.

Hope this wasn’t too long or boring. What I wanted most to convey is that reducing waste and abuse of resources is a good in and of itself and should be promoted for its own sake. Beneficial impact on the carbon footprint is gravy. I can’t prove it, but I firmly believe that minimizing waste and impact on the planet has to be good for the planet, in and of itself.

I'd still rather be reading trip reports, discussions of gear, etc....

TomK
 
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Much lower than it is now, obviously, but even if 99% of the human race goes “pfffft” that’ll still leave 80M-plus using today’s figures. More than enough to start over, especially with the sum knowledge of humanity intact.
Human knowledge can disappear, and has disappeared. The libraries at Alexandria got burned. It is extreme optimism to assume that the sum knowledge of humanity will survive what causes that kind of population drop.
 
“Cherry-picking” meaning using a selected set of data, whether or not it’s intended to mislead. It might just be me but I’d probably use records dating back to the Ediacaran to give a nice, long baseline. The period of time that complex life has existed on the planet should be enough to convince anyone without a closed mind. Obviously ice core records don’t go back that far but sedimentary rock records should, and should give the same results no matter where they’re located on the planet, correct? How does their accuracy and resolution compare to ice cores?
Air pockets in a snowpack become sealed gas bubbles preserved in glacial ice during metamorphism. The gas bubbles can then be analyzed with a GC-MS (gas chromatograph - mass spectrometer) to determine the concentrations of various trace atmospheric gases like CO2 and methane along with a variety of trace isotopes like oxygen-16 and oxygen-18 that are used to model past atmospheric temperatures. The CO2 concentrations in ice core bubbles can then be calibrated with CO2 measurements that have been made continuously with instrumentation from the top of Maura Loa volcano in Hawaii since 1958.

The CO2 concentrations from deep ocean sediment cores going back tens of millions of years can be modeled from GC-MS measurements of stable carbon isotopes, C-12 and C-13, in microfossils like foraminifera. These carbon isotope measurements can then be calibrated with direct measurements of CO2 in ice cores for past 800,000 years. These stable carbon isotopes should not be confused with the unstable (radioactive) C-14 isotope that is used for dating organic materials formed over the past 30,000 to 40,000 years. Stable oxygen-16 and oxygen-18 measurements are used to model ages older than 30,000 to 40,000 years for deep ocean sediment cores.

The CO2 concentrations from older sedimentary rocks, like the Ediacaran fossils from about 600 million years ago, can likewise be modeled from C-12 and C-13 measurements on a GC-MS. Like with the deep ocean sediment cores, these CO2 concentrations are not as accurate as those determined by direct measurements of gas bubbles in ice cores, but they are still pretty good.
 
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In way of a disclaimer, most of my posts above are based on over 40 years of teaching geology, hydrology, meteorology, and climatology courses at universities.

For Skiguy, my personal best carbon footprint reduction efforts have been not having any kids and grandkids (Sierra should approve based on his overpopulation comments earlier in this thread), having been a pescatarian (mostly vegetarian) since December 1979, and retiring to the White Mountains to reduce travel distances.
 
Air pockets in a snowpack become sealed gas bubbles preserved in glacial ice during metamorphism. The gas bubbles can then be analyzed with a GC-MS (gas chromatograph - mass spectrometer) to determine the concentrations of various trace atmospheric gases like CO2 and methane along with a variety of trace isotopes like oxygen-16 and oxygen-18 that are used to model past atmospheric temperatures. The CO2 concentrations in ice core bubbles can then be calibrated with CO2 measurements that have been made continuously with instrumentation from the top of Maura Loa volcano in Hawaii since 1958.

The CO2 concentrations from deep ocean sediment cores going back tens of millions of years can be modeled from GC-MS measurements of stable carbon isotopes, C-12 and C-13, in microfossils like foraminifera. These carbon isotope measurements can then be calibrated with direct measurements of CO2 in ice cores for past 800,000 years. These stable carbon isotopes should not be confused with the unstable (radioactive) C-14 isotope that is used for dating organic materials formed over the past 30,000 to 40,000 years. Stable oxygen-16 and oxygen-18 measurements are used to model ages older than 30,000 to 40,000 years for deep ocean sediment cores.

The CO2 concentrations from older sedimentary rocks, like the Ediacaran fossils from about 600 million years ago, can likewise be modeled from C-12 and C-13 measurements on a GC-MS. Like with the deep ocean sediment cores, these CO2 concentrations are not as accurate as those determined by direct measurements of gas bubbles in ice cores, but they are still pretty good.
I was wondering if melting between seasons and during warm spells didn’t allow for multiple years of ice to mix and homogenize, or whether snow- and ice-dwelling organisms could contribute gases to the atmospheric mix trapped in the ice. You’d probably expect to see oxygen from algae and lichen as well.
 
Once again...I'm not arguing facts since I don't disagree with you. I just wanted to understand what reading the newspaper has to do with anything.

For a PhD you certainly have reading comprehension issues. Now, THAT was a personal attack ;-)
Oh trust me, I have read all of your comments, here and on other threads about global warming and that it is "elitist" to suggest we can do something about it. I have no doubt anyone misunderstands your stance on this issue.
 
Playing that card again. Time for you to rock your grey matter a bit. You have been told multiple times from past moderators that having one's personal information as an Avatar is not required for this board. I suppose you expect everyone here to conform to your rules and idealities because essentially in your mind your better and smarter than everyone. Here's an idea. Create your own board with its own rules rather than to continue to think you are an authority on life.
Yes, in fact I am! You're a troll and a coward, and express toxic comments and then hide behind your anonymity.

Am I smarter and better than you? Well, I will tell you this: I am not embarrassed to own up to my ideas and beliefs. As they relate to global warming, they are based on science.
 
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