Avoiding Group Separation ... ?

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I think you should only hike with people at or around your ability. I hate it when, as "SLI74" said, I hold other people up. I also hate it when I have to wait for other people (which happens less and less each approaching year :rolleyes: )
 
Adk_dib said:
I think you should only hike with people at or around your ability. I hate it when, as "SLI74" said, I hold other people up. I also hate it when I have to wait for other people (which happens less and less each approaching year :rolleyes: )

The trick then is to figure out who (or what groups) is (are) near your ability. Often group bicycle rides advertise a ride using a three-axis system: how long, how steep, how fast (60 mi, 3000' climbing, 22 mph) (this would be at or near road race speed).

Is there any such system for hiking? I've not seen it. You could always advertise your average hiking speed, relative to some normalizing datum, like "book time". For example:

I generally come in at 80-85% book time, for 3-season hikes which are of average difficulty. I would rather plod along at a steady pace, then stop multiple times. One or two 5 minute breaks (eat, pee, add/remove layers) on a 3-4 hour ascent is plenty for me.

From the above statement you (you in the sense of the reader) can probably figure out whether we're compatible, in terms of speed anyway. Experience is probably another aspect, and maybe gear a third.

Or maybe we need a hiker code (like the geek code: http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html)

Most advertised hikes go at the speed of the slowest person, or so I've heard. I've never done one, and I've never hiked in a party larger then myself + 2 friends, or myself + Mrs. BikeHikeSkiFish and 2 kids. The latter case we hike at the speed of my 4-year-old, obviously ;)


Tim
 
Well, if you are only hiking for your own experience, then you should only hike with people who hike at the same pace you do. On the other hand, some of us hike with people we want to share an experience with. In those cases we sometimes have to wait up or slow down or be waited for. The "rules" should be understood beforehand. Courtesy should rule. I don't like to assume someone else is doing fine if I can't see them, neither do I like it to be assumed I'm okay when I'm out of range. Probably I am, but perhaps I'm not. I am proud of what my mother said to me a few years ago when we were hiking the Monadnock-Sunapee Greenway together: "One of the things I like about hiking with you is that you're not always looking around to see if I'm still with you." She was about 78 about the time. I wasn't "care-taking" or "hand-holding" but I was aware of her presence and my responsibility as her companion.
 
eruggles said:
some of us hike with people we want to share an experience with.

I REALLY agree with this comment, Ellen. To me, there is more to the hike than just my speed (or lack of ;) ) and even though I get out there for a LOT of reasons (most of which I am not going to get sappy about here) one of the THE most important reason is the people and wanting to share a particular experience with a particular person. And I hope atleast some of those that choose to hike with me even at my excruciatingly slow pace, do so because they find something in me worth slowing their pace for . . . :D . . . at least that is what I tell myself. :D

As a quick example, I have a DEAR friend, who is afraid of winter overnighters because she gets frozen very easily and we will be taking her on what might be her first winter overnighter real soon. Having the chance to help her prepare for this trip and talk her through her fears are a large part of what is making the whole experience fun for me. Hiking with her and showing her that she can indeed do this and enjoy it is part of this trip and I am really excited to be allowed to be along for the "ride" . . .

Anyway, I guess what I am trying to say here, though a bit off-topic for this thread . . . is there much to be enjoyed and experienced in our interactions with others who love hiking as we do and for that experience we have to sometimes adjust our location, pace, etc.

sli74
 
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eruggles said:
Well, if you are only hiking for your own experience, then you should only hike with people who hike at the same pace you do. On the other hand, some of us hike with people we want to share an experience with. ... I am proud of what my mother said to me a few years ago when we were hiking the Monadnock-Sunapee Greenway together: "One of the things I like about hiking with you is that you're not always looking around to see if I'm still with you." She was about 78 about the time. I wasn't "care-taking" or "hand-holding" but I was aware of her presence and my responsibility as her companion.

Great comments! I particularly liked that last sentence:

"I wasn't "care-taking" or "hand-holding" but I was aware of her presence and my responsibility as her companion."

That beautifully sums up how we all would do well to approach hikes on which we agree to "team" up with others.

G.
 
AMC Hike Codes

bikehikeskifish said:
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Is there any such system for hiking? I've not seen it. You could always advertise your average hiking speed, relative to some normalizing datum, like "book time".
Tim
Yes there is.

The local (New York / North Jersey Chapter) AMC group (and perhaps all AMC groups) have a HIKE CODE: PACE, TERRAIN, MILEAGE as follows

Pace:

1 - Leisurely
2 - Moderate
3 - Vigorous
4 - Fast
5 - Very Fast

Terrain:

A - Solid pavement
B - Soft ground/sand/carriage trails
C - Hiking trails and gentle rolling hills
D - Steep hills, scrambles possible
E - Rough terrain/exposure and/or thick brush possible
F - Extremely difficult terrain/ possible sustained exposure

Mileage:
Estimated mileage of the hike

In the body of their quarterly booklet, these codes are used consistantly. You will also occasionally see that the leader may exclude participants whom he/she judges to not be able to adhere to the advertised pace.

Examples:

Oct. 14 Sam's Point Dwarf Pine Ridge 4D11 ...

Oct. 14 Entire Escarpment Trail 5D23 ...

Oct. 15, Intro to the Gunks 3C8 ...

Oct. 21 Scarsdale Architectural Circ. 2A6 ...

Lots of variability there. The 5D23 sounds pretty intimidating. Jay H's type of outing. :)
 
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What's the difference?

Not to be a stick in the mud, but what is the difference between splitting up and hiking alone? If everyone is as equally prepared, and no one person is relying on another for an immediate need...what is the difference? From time to time (rarely) I hike with another person. Sometimes I find myself not wanting to be around that person for one reason or another. Maybe I want to take it slow and take photos or just stare at the trees, or something. I am a moody ******* (but a nice guy all the same). I usually just tell that person to go on and I know, or hope, that at the next trail junction or feature I will find them waiting for me.

So, if I get hurt after I tell my hiker friend it is ok to go ahead, and I die or I suffer or have to survive somehow until I am saved, has my group made a bad decision?

-and-

I am wrong to hike alone?

Just some thoughts. I am honestly not trying to be a wise-ass.
 
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