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My point all along was try and convince them that allowing parking would benefit hikers and the cog and I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but....
My earlier comment was in the start of this thread about them being spiteful was becuas I assume they were being spiteful towards hikers becuase allowing the parking easy money for them. I admit, I have zero for this comment except for the attitude I got from the women on the phone.
They can and should do what they want with their land, it doesnt make sense becuase it is money for no work on their part. Parking lot is already being plowed whether hikers are using it or not.
The road is being plowed for snowmobiles, skiers, and those who want to ride the cog - I think hikers have a case for wanting to park there or the ammo trailhead parking. If base road wan't being plowed - no problem - back to the way it was. But if the the road is being plowed, I think it worth "bitc**" about if just to get the trailhed plowed. I think it would get heavy use. hahaha
but all in all - it doesn't make sense why they wouldn't allow it - maybe something happened that we don't know about - Maybe they think the lot will fill -up and they will lose business - maybe someone took a dump in lot or something before a hike. who knows.
ok done beating the dead horse.
My earlier comment was in the start of this thread about them being spiteful was becuas I assume they were being spiteful towards hikers becuase allowing the parking easy money for them. I admit, I have zero for this comment except for the attitude I got from the women on the phone.
They can and should do what they want with their land, it doesnt make sense becuase it is money for no work on their part. Parking lot is already being plowed whether hikers are using it or not.
The road is being plowed for snowmobiles, skiers, and those who want to ride the cog - I think hikers have a case for wanting to park there or the ammo trailhead parking. If base road wan't being plowed - no problem - back to the way it was. But if the the road is being plowed, I think it worth "bitc**" about if just to get the trailhed plowed. I think it would get heavy use. hahaha
but all in all - it doesn't make sense why they wouldn't allow it - maybe something happened that we don't know about - Maybe they think the lot will fill -up and they will lose business - maybe someone took a dump in lot or something before a hike. who knows.
ok done beating the dead horse.
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docross
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We parked 12/28 (a Tuesday)
FWIW, 5 of us in 2 vehicles parked in the upper lot as close as we could get to the (old) Ammo TH last week last Tuesday. We looked around the lot for somebody to pay, and there was nobody. We hiked Monroe, and returned around 2:30. No notes on windshield and still nobody questioned us.
There were not more than a dozen other cars in the lot that afternoon, although the Cog was running and skiers were skiing.
Query: is the no parking policy really enforced?
Query: is it better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission?
FWIW, 5 of us in 2 vehicles parked in the upper lot as close as we could get to the (old) Ammo TH last week last Tuesday. We looked around the lot for somebody to pay, and there was nobody. We hiked Monroe, and returned around 2:30. No notes on windshield and still nobody questioned us.
There were not more than a dozen other cars in the lot that afternoon, although the Cog was running and skiers were skiing.
Query: is the no parking policy really enforced?
Query: is it better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission?
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I'm with you Arm. I think Sierra is overreacting a bit to what was said about the mountain. I don't fault people for using the amenities (auto road, cog etc...) that are there, I just don't like that they are there (although the pumpkin whoopie pies are damn good) and give people something that they should have to earn. But they are there and that's the way it is but that won't stop me for griping about it from time to time. Mostly it bugs me because I prefer winter hiking and now there will still be some interaction (sighting/smells/noises) with the cog that would until recently be left only for summer. Again oh well. Like Sierra pointed out I'll 'find another mountain'. I was speaking mostly on principle, not on the basis that I want to spend a ton of time on Washington.
Again, I don't question anyone's right to use what's there, I just don't think that what is there belongs (one of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong...). Just a matter of a difference of opinion I suppose...
Again, I don't question anyone's right to use what's there, I just don't think that what is there belongs (one of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong...). Just a matter of a difference of opinion I suppose...
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hey
truepatriot,
I was not overeacting, its just that I love the Rockpile, always have, always will. All the components that make up the mountain I defend, for they are what makes it Mt Washington. I respect your right not to do so as well, this is America you may think, climb and bitch as you wish, Ill never argue that point, heck Ill but you a beer if I ever meet you, life is all good.
Just came back from a couple of days on Pikes Peak (co) great winter ascent, cold but clear as a bell. Looking over Kansas and oklahoma from the summitt was grand indeed. Guess what though, I kidd you not, theres a road and a Cog that goes to the summitt Oh no here we go again
Hey we all climb, all love the mnountains thats what its all about isnt it. I love all mountains for who they are, they are like people, keep an open mind accept them for who they are and life will be allright.
truepatriot,
I was not overeacting, its just that I love the Rockpile, always have, always will. All the components that make up the mountain I defend, for they are what makes it Mt Washington. I respect your right not to do so as well, this is America you may think, climb and bitch as you wish, Ill never argue that point, heck Ill but you a beer if I ever meet you, life is all good.
Just came back from a couple of days on Pikes Peak (co) great winter ascent, cold but clear as a bell. Looking over Kansas and oklahoma from the summitt was grand indeed. Guess what though, I kidd you not, theres a road and a Cog that goes to the summitt
Oh no here we go again Hey we all climb, all love the mnountains thats what its all about isnt it. I love all mountains for who they are, they are like people, keep an open mind accept them for who they are and life will be allright.
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Hope they let you park in their parking lot
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tp09:
How did sierra over-react? By accepting everything and everybody that Mt. Washington really is?
You said you were speaking on principle. OK. How about the principles of appreciating history, not holding those who think differently than you in contempt, or not defining everything in terms of yourself and your own accomplishments, or measuring everyone by your yardstick?
Some of those folks who didn't "earn" their way to the top of your mountain are probably cops and firefighters who risk their lives to protect us. Some are good parents who make all manner of sacrifices for their children. Some work at McDonalds and wait on me on my trip home (maybe you don't eat at McDonalds). Some might not do anything directly useful for you or me, but heck, how important are you to the rest of humanity. I don't know about you, but I'm probably replaceable. And it's my mountain, too. And theirs.
Like it or not, the Cog and the Auto Road do belong on Mt. Washington. If it doesn't, than none of the parking lots, none of the roads, none of the ski areas, none of the trails, and none of the shelters belong in the Whites at all.
I still don't quite get the reasoning that every parking lot should be open at all times to hikers. It's hiking, not driving, right? Otherwise, take the Cog or the Road and be done with it.
An appreciation for something bigger than just your accomplishments can be a wonderful thing, and a pretty handy skill for daily life.
Jim:
Maybe if you call them and the Cog more nasty names they will let us park there.
Worth a try
How did sierra over-react? By accepting everything and everybody that Mt. Washington really is?
You said you were speaking on principle. OK. How about the principles of appreciating history, not holding those who think differently than you in contempt, or not defining everything in terms of yourself and your own accomplishments, or measuring everyone by your yardstick?
Some of those folks who didn't "earn" their way to the top of your mountain are probably cops and firefighters who risk their lives to protect us. Some are good parents who make all manner of sacrifices for their children. Some work at McDonalds and wait on me on my trip home (maybe you don't eat at McDonalds). Some might not do anything directly useful for you or me, but heck, how important are you to the rest of humanity. I don't know about you, but I'm probably replaceable. And it's my mountain, too. And theirs.
Like it or not, the Cog and the Auto Road do belong on Mt. Washington. If it doesn't, than none of the parking lots, none of the roads, none of the ski areas, none of the trails, and none of the shelters belong in the Whites at all.
I still don't quite get the reasoning that every parking lot should be open at all times to hikers. It's hiking, not driving, right? Otherwise, take the Cog or the Road and be done with it.
An appreciation for something bigger than just your accomplishments can be a wonderful thing, and a pretty handy skill for daily life.
Jim:
Maybe if you call them and the Cog more nasty names they will let us park there.
Worth a try
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Bob-
You're right, I don't eat at McDonald's.
And please re-read my last post, I said I do not fault anyone for using what's available on the mountain (auto road, cog), but simply don't like that it is there. I'm not sure how an opinion based on how others spend their recreational time translates to ranking our individual importance in society, but if the President wants to use the cog, he's more than entitled. But I hear what you're saying, and like we've all agreed we're all entitled to our own opinion; it just sort of bums me out to see soot and hear a train whistle above treeline. That's my point, end of story. There's nothing I can, nor do I care to try, to change it. But hey, as long as we're out there enjoying nature that's all that matters.
Sierra-
I hear you, I really do and I respect your opinion as well. No hard feelings and that beer sounds like a damn good idea. It's important to be passionate about anything in life, and the fact that you vehemently defend 'The Pile' is very admirable, especially since you now reside west of the Mississippi. But since we do disagree, if you come home to visit, how about we meet up for a trip into the Bonds instead of the Presi's?
Be cool everyone...
You're right, I don't eat at McDonald's.
And please re-read my last post, I said I do not fault anyone for using what's available on the mountain (auto road, cog), but simply don't like that it is there. I'm not sure how an opinion based on how others spend their recreational time translates to ranking our individual importance in society, but if the President wants to use the cog, he's more than entitled. But I hear what you're saying, and like we've all agreed we're all entitled to our own opinion; it just sort of bums me out to see soot and hear a train whistle above treeline. That's my point, end of story. There's nothing I can, nor do I care to try, to change it. But hey, as long as we're out there enjoying nature that's all that matters.
Sierra-
I hear you, I really do and I respect your opinion as well. No hard feelings and that beer sounds like a damn good idea. It's important to be passionate about anything in life, and the fact that you vehemently defend 'The Pile' is very admirable, especially since you now reside west of the Mississippi. But since we do disagree, if you come home to visit, how about we meet up for a trip into the Bonds instead of the Presi's?
Be cool everyone...
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I hike because I like to. It matters not to me how anyone else gets to the top. I am happy that there are isolated things like the Cog and The Auto Road so that some that cannot hike have the opportunity to see what I see when I hike to a summit. I cannot help myself from taking a picture whenever I see it in the distance. But that's just me.
I think a very short conversation with the owners of the Cog would resolve the parking issue in a friendly manner with all sides walking away happy. But that's just me.
I think a very short conversation with the owners of the Cog would resolve the parking issue in a friendly manner with all sides walking away happy. But that's just me.
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tp09:
No hard feelings here, either, by the way, just stating my observations and opinions.
And as far as the soot/whistle issue, it is quite possible to walk up -- er --"climb," if you must, Mt. Washington without seeing, smelling, or hearing any of that -- with or without wearing any stinking, noisy petroleum products, though most of the, uh, "climbers" (me included, though I just walk) do wear them.
And getting bummed, disagreeing, thinking someone or something has no place there, or that they haven't "earned" the implied right to be there is by definition "faulting" -- which is, of course, entirely your right do. I don't understand why you would fault something or someone then say you did not. I fault lots of things and people myself. Sierra defended and faulted folks here too. He wasn't mean about it, and he wasn't (in my opinion) over-reacting. Nor was he as "vehement" as you in your faulting. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
Did you ever take an escalator or elevator anywhere? Should you have been curtly escorted back to the ground floor? How about an airplane? Should the folks at the end of your journey regard you with contempt for not walking there or flapping your arms to fly? Should you have not been there at all?
Also, in an earlier post you accused folks of driving to the top of Mt. Washington, slapping a bumper sticker onto their car, and thinking they had accompished something. If you actually read the bumper sticker, you would know that all credit for the accomplishment is given to the car -- so you might want to not "not-fault" those folks, at least.
PS: I had a feeling about the McDonalds thing
I did reread your last post -- several times -- and your first two posts in this thread, also. Without faulting anyone, you assumed that "they" thought they were "accomplishing" something without "earning" it, that "they" and the Cog had no place there, etc. Then (without "faulting" him, apparently) you said sierra was over-reacting.truepatriot09 said:
No hard feelings here, either, by the way, just stating my observations and opinions.
And as far as the soot/whistle issue, it is quite possible to walk up -- er --"climb," if you must, Mt. Washington without seeing, smelling, or hearing any of that -- with or without wearing any stinking, noisy petroleum products, though most of the, uh, "climbers" (me included, though I just walk) do wear them.
And getting bummed, disagreeing, thinking someone or something has no place there, or that they haven't "earned" the implied right to be there is by definition "faulting" -- which is, of course, entirely your right do. I don't understand why you would fault something or someone then say you did not. I fault lots of things and people myself. Sierra defended and faulted folks here too. He wasn't mean about it, and he wasn't (in my opinion) over-reacting. Nor was he as "vehement" as you in your faulting. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
You suggested that those people who did not climb Mount Washington under their own power should not be there -- that they had not "earned" the right or privilege. I was taking a bigger picture view, suggesting that perhaps in the grand scheme of things they had more of a right to be there (or anywhere they chose to be) than you or I.truepatriot09 said:
Did you ever take an escalator or elevator anywhere? Should you have been curtly escorted back to the ground floor? How about an airplane? Should the folks at the end of your journey regard you with contempt for not walking there or flapping your arms to fly? Should you have not been there at all?
Also, in an earlier post you accused folks of driving to the top of Mt. Washington, slapping a bumper sticker onto their car, and thinking they had accompished something. If you actually read the bumper sticker, you would know that all credit for the accomplishment is given to the car -- so you might want to not "not-fault" those folks, at least.
PS: I had a feeling about the McDonalds thing
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sierra
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TP,
Ill make you a deal, Ill go to the Bonds, if we can climb the Rockpile second trip I love to camp at gyout and climb west bond at night, sitting on that little summitt during a full moon, is, imo one of the premier trips to take in the Whites.
AS far as Washington goes, one of my favorite hikes in the Whites is to ascend the Jewell trail to the summitt, then descend the Ammou. I realize alot of people prefer to ascend the ammou, but I do not, espechally on a hot day, I plan my hikes so I can refresh myself in the streams when IM done the hardwork, Ive swam in Gem pool, man its cold, but I get to the car feeling like a million bucks.
You know IM a very good negociator (sp) if I was back in NH I would personally go to the Cog and try to solve the parking issue myself. There is a solution to every problem, there has to be a crux issue at hand as to why the Cog doesnt want hikers to park there, identify that and you can work on a solution.
TP,
Ill make you a deal, Ill go to the Bonds, if we can climb the Rockpile second trip
I love to camp at gyout and climb west bond at night, sitting on that little summitt during a full moon, is, imo one of the premier trips to take in the Whites. AS far as Washington goes, one of my favorite hikes in the Whites is to ascend the Jewell trail to the summitt, then descend the Ammou. I realize alot of people prefer to ascend the ammou, but I do not, espechally on a hot day, I plan my hikes so I can refresh myself in the streams when IM done the hardwork, Ive swam in Gem pool, man its cold, but I get to the car feeling like a million bucks.
You know IM a very good negociator (sp) if I was back in NH I would personally go to the Cog and try to solve the parking issue myself. There is a solution to every problem, there has to be a crux issue at hand as to why the Cog doesnt want hikers to park there, identify that and you can work on a solution.
Mike P.
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Would they let you shovel your own spot as close to the gate as you could get? It's easier than getting up at 3:30 AM to drive 250 miles to walk in the snow & then drive back home to say to myself, yep, I've done that
I guess I could bury my car back in the snow as a cache too
I suspect during the week it's no big deal at the cog & I thought I'd correct the person who said the road is plowed for snowmobilers, they want it unplowed, not plowed, just like it used to be....
I guess I could bury my car back in the snow as a cache too
I suspect during the week it's no big deal at the cog & I thought I'd correct the person who said the road is plowed for snowmobilers, they want it unplowed, not plowed, just like it used to be....
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They've been plowing that driveway part to the gate, last winter I parked in a spot there, you could probably fit 5-6 cars if you were careful. Get there early
They've been plowing that driveway part to the gate, last winter I parked in a spot there, you could probably fit 5-6 cars if you were careful. Get there early
bobandgeri
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Has anyone called the Cog lately? I ran into someone who is leading a trip this Sat and parking there. He told me that they have changed the parking charge to $10 but are allowing parking in the lower lot.
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Nope
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I just spoke with a very nice woman at the cog who said there is no parking for hikers. Their message says the area is open to skiers, riders and spectators, so no change that I know of. She didn't know about the $10. If you get to the Ammo trailhead early enough you might be able to park in the plowed out driveway before the gate.
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I just spoke with a very nice woman at the cog who said there is no parking for hikers. Their message says the area is open to skiers, riders and spectators, so no change that I know of. She didn't know about the $10. If you get to the Ammo trailhead early enough you might be able to park in the plowed out driveway before the gate.
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Jim lombard said:
Spectators? Can we consider ourselves spectators if we stop and gaze at stuff on the hike up?
or are we still considered hikers? I guess I don't get it BUT luckily for me my plans for the next Washington winter trip is winter Lion's Head so I guess I don't have to worry too much about parking sli74
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Maybe they're "spectator unfriendly" also.....OOPS, strike that
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Very good news from the Cog RR
Here is what appears to be definitive information in an e-mail from someone who should know. It appears to be even better than we hoped for.
Hikers may park in the first parking lot on the left as you approach the cog railway base station. There is an overnight fee of $5.00.
Wayne Presby
Here is what appears to be definitive information in an e-mail from someone who should know. It appears to be even better than we hoped for.
Hikers may park in the first parking lot on the left as you approach the cog railway base station. There is an overnight fee of $5.00.
Wayne Presby
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Excellent news, Roy. Thanks for passing it along. And, thanks to Wayne Presby for this policy.
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