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giggy

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I have been hiking in the whites for years and never actually ran into a bear. I know they are there and was wondering if anyone ever has and more importantly - what did you do? (I know what the books say to do) I have an odd paranoia of them and while not enough to scare me from hiking and climbing - it is always in the back of mind. I don't think there has been an actually attack in NH for the last 100 years or so.

About 2 years ago, something large enough to move stones was out side a shelter in hermit lake. I am pretty sure it was late oct or early nov. Not sure it was a bear - but it was something bigger than racoon!! I do find it hard to think there are bears in tuckerman - but it guess its possible.

anyone have real life exp with this??

thanks
 
I've only seen one bear, and it was so far away I had to use binoculars to see it clearly. It was in the area between the Alpine Garden Trail and the summit cone of Mt. Washington.

^MtnMike^
 
but it was something bigger than racoon!!

Maybe a moose? I've seen pics of moose near Lakes of the Clouds Hut, so maybe that's what you heard at Hermit Lake. Just a thought. (The only moose I've personally seen in the Whites were near Zealand Falls.)

No personal experience with bear in the Whites, but plenty in NJ & NY.
 
Bear Sightings

This past spring I sighted bears on the slopes of Cannon mountain. The first of those sightings was while hiking down after climbing Cannon. My girlfriend and I could make out a large black shape down and to the side of the slope we were decending. Because it did'nt move very much it took us awhile to figure out what it was. After observing it for a bit we decided to cross over to another slope and continue down. As we decended we approached a bump in the trail that obscured our view of the slope ahead. I remember thinking " I hope there's not a bear hanging out on other side of this rise". Sure enough there was a bear with her two cubs in the middle of the trail about 50 yrds away. Having read that you don't want to surprise a mother with her cubs I waved my hiking poles over my head and gave out a little yell. She quickly spotted me and beelined it into the woods to the right of the slope followed by her two cubs... they were adorable! We decended the rest of the slope without any problems although we were on a high state of alert for the remainder of the way down. Since that time I've seen bears on those same slopes many times as I've driven past. I was told they like to graize on the young plants that grow on the slopes in the spring.
 
giggy said:
something large enough to move stones was out side a shelter in hermit lake.
Bears move stones. They flip them over to find grubs, salamanders, etc. So if what you heard was flipping over good sized stones, it was definitely a bear. Bears will be in Tuckermans. Bears will be most anywhere in the Whites. Kevin Rooney said it best: "Watch in awe - you've been given a gift."

This link will bring you to a page I just put up Saturday for my "Keeping Track" group. It doesn't have any rock-flipping bears, but it will show you what a hungry momma bear and her cubs will do to a beech stand.
 
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I've had a 5 or 6 close encounters over the years and they were never scary. I felt lucky to see them. Even when the dog was with us, the encounters were pretty benign. One young mother shoved her cub up a tree and faced down my dog long enough for us to grab her collar and keep going. It was curiosity without animosity.
All the bears were fairly small, though, and they were in areas less traveled. A big one was ambling about the woods near Franconia Falls, and the sight of that black hulk scared the heck out of our friends who were just a couple of hundred feet in front of us. Size does matter! It reminded me of the stories of the famous Brutus who lived in that area and unfortunately had to be put down.

The bottom line - if you're lucky enough to see one, enjoy!
 
I've met a few bears and, like Kevin Rooney, regard it as a gift. I've seen them all on the roads where I live. The only time I've seen one that wasn't its backside running away was while walking home along my street one day. A good-sized bear was raking its claws on a telephone pole, about 75 m away. I watched it for a few minutes and when I was ready to start walking again just gave a shout and clapped my hands and he looked at me and went off into the woods. I walked past making some noise so the bear would know where I was in case it hadn't gone very far. Pretty cool.
-veg
 
^MtnMike^ said:
I've only seen one bear, and it was so far away I had to use binoculars to see it clearly. It was in the area between the Alpine Garden Trail and the summit cone of Mt. Washington.

^MtnMike^

The only places I've seen bears in the Whites were on Cannon Mtn and Attitash! Maybe they like ski lifts! However, in New Jersey, I've seen many! Go figure!

Fred
 
I've seen two bears in the Whites, neither while hiking, both while driving. One in Franconia Notch, one crossing Bear Notch Road near its intersection with the Kanc.

Steve
 
I've been very fortunate to have experienced numerous wildlife encounters on the trails over the years. I am usually accompanied by one of my dogs, so I don't agree with those that think "hiking dogs" will prevent others from having their own brush with nature. There is nothing like being close to these majestic animals, and I truly relish each event. Pick up a copy of Benjamin Kilham's book Among The Bears (shameless promotion here.........available at www.mountainwanderer.com). I don't believe you will be as afraid after reading it. Here are a few of my favorite Bear stories.

When I struck off to hike Mt Whiteface (NH) via the Blueberry Ledge trail for the first time, I was almost overcome by fear when I noticed the "NO HUNTING WITH BEAR DOGS" signs posted at the forest edge. It was in the Spring, & bright, new foliage was abundant, and the forest was alive with sounds. Cody (dog) was bouncing around having a ball, & I was trembling. I think I was almost to the top when I finally convinced myself that I wasn't going to be snuck-up on by anything. Quite a few years later I did have a Bear encounter on a Whiteface trip. I was doing a different route to visit this mountain, and I parked at the WMNF parking area on the Whiteface Intervale Rd. Cody was with me again, and we did the Flat Mt Pond tr, McGrillis tr, Rollins tr (to the summit only), Blueberry Ledge tr, returning to the parking area via the McGrillis Path. We were just to the end of the Path, as the forest eases into a surrounding field, when I spotted a Momma Bear & 3 cubs foraging around an old Apple tree. I softly called Cody to me & we stood still for awhile watching them. Then I spoke loudly to Mum, letting her know we were there, so that she once again could teach her little ones when to seek cover, and we of course could continue through to the parking area without incident.

In Waterville Valley NH, on the afternoon of July 4th back in the early 90's, I was the last to leave the office for the day. The town was not quiet, but the parking area for the property management division had cleared out about a 1/2 hr earlier. As I pulled the office door shut behind me, the disturbed silence made a visiting Bear stand up in the dumpster to take notice of his surroundings. The dumpster was one car width away from my vehicle, & my vehicle was 3 car widths away from me, with a locked door at my back. We both froze. I gave my keys a shake, and he was gone in one quick leap. That experience made me realize just how shy they tend to be.

On a hike to Mt Tremont, via the forest service road off the Bear Notch Rd, & the Brunel trail, Cody & I came across another young Bear. I think he was either napping or rolling on the ground when we bumped into him, as there was no sight of him on the low level terrain as we approached. I looked up to see Cody bounce forward, but she never barked, so I still wasn't forewarned. I next witnessed the black mass pounce on the closest tree & shimmy up about a foot. That was as far as it could go, as it was the remains of an old dead tree. So there was the Bear, and we were about twelve feet from it. I clipped Cody on her leash & we stood still. The bear slowly looked over its shoulder at us, and then slowly looked in the other direction, as if to express that it wished to be somewhere far-far-away from that rotted tree trunk. It's face looked very scared. Cody & I quietly walked passed, and when we were about 20 feet away, he leapt off the tree & disappeared into the forest.

Taz & I came up behind a Mum & 2 cubs on the way to Mt Potash, off the Kanc, one hot summer morning. Again, the encounter was in close proximity. I could see Taz up ahead of me, about 250 feet, when I spotted more than one black blob. I called Taz's name repeatedly in a very loud-deep tone, to warn the Mum of our presence, and to let Taz know I was insisting that she return to me pronto. She did, & was greeted with hushed "Good Girl, Good Girl". I clipped her on her leash, & we stood still for a few seconds before I started to hear an almost painful sound. The cubs were very frightened, and started to bawl for their Mum. She had treed them, and had run off a short distance in an effort to distract us from her little ones. Their cries got louder & more heart wrenching, and for a moment I found myself wondering if they were ok............. Mum was concerned too, as she stood up on her hind legs & swayed back & forth trying to sense where the intruders were. Bears don't have very good eye sight, but their sense of smell makes up for it. We hadn't hiked in very far from the parking area when this occurred, so I decided that we would leave & let them reunite, instead of waiting for them to. We went for a hike to Square Ledge instead.

Early this Summer, Tuck & I were doing a trail run up Picked Rock on the Loon Mountain ski trails, when we came up on a big fellow. Tuck was only about 25 feet ahead of me when he stopped abruptly, standing on the edge of the work road at the top of the trail. I couldn't see passed the rise in the terrain, but his body language let me know there was "something" up there. I softly said "stay", and he didn't move. I caught up & clipped the leash on him, and looked up to see a large, headless, black blob. He was apparently eating wild Strawberries on the side of the slope. He looked up momentarily, but had no interest in us over this sweet serving of fruit. We were approx. 50 feet from him. We went down slope & connected with Upper Flying Fox to continue our after work run to the top of the ski area.

Just a few weeks ago, at the end of October, Tuck & I came across another Bruin on the Carter-Moriah trail about a mile or so in from Bangor Rd. We were still down in the hardwoods, when Tuck stopped dead in the trail, and pointed like a bird dog.......he's a 95 lb Doberman ;o) I told him to stay, and clipped him on the leash. The Chipmunk's/Squirrel's were making a lot of noise, but I couldn't see anything other than fall foliage in the surrounding area. We started to walk slowly forward, and my normally happy-go-lucky, bouncing boy was a bit tentative. Suddenly, a black mass burst from the left side of the trail, about 50 feet ahead of us, crossed over to the other side & was gone.

So far, my encounters with Moose have been much more intimidating than the ones with Bears. But as the other folks said, they all feel like gifts. It was fun to relive them all just now, and in my minds eye, I remember every detail of each one ;o)
 
The only places I've seen bears in the Whites were on Cannon Mtn and Attitash! Maybe they like ski lifts! However, in New Jersey, I've seen many! Go figure!

I think this may be due to berries growing on the slopes.
 
Additionally, ski slopes are open and thus offer better spotting range than thick brush or darker forests.
 
The only bear I have seen in the Whites was looking down from the Whitney-Gilman ridge - we spotted a bear on the talus slope below the start of the route.
 
Never seen a bear in the Whites on a trail. Had one nearly ram the side of my car in Conway or RT16 though!
We did see really fresh bear tracks in the snow 2 weeks ago. I thought that was pretty cool!
In the Kenai Fiords,we saw black bear everywhere. They would watch us in the campsite-while we watched them! No sooner get in the kayak,and the bears would come running to check out the campsite.
 
I saw my first bears this summer, both on the same trail, the same day. I was hiking alone on a little-used unmarked trail in the Three Ponds area in the western part of the WMNF. The first one I saw was about 30 yards away, and didn't seem to see me. I made noise, talking, then yelling, and then blowing a whistle, but the bear didn't seem alarmed. It stood up on its hind legs and looked around, seeing me. It then walked off, but not straight away from me. Less than a quarter mile later, I saw another bear running away from me about 50 yards away, bounding through the woods. Both bears were near some old clear cuts, which had grown up with rasberries, which were ripe. I saw tracks in the mud, and I can tell you that bears are not very neat berry-pickers! I was very excited, and it took a long time for my heart to slow down, but I wasn't really scared. It was great!

I've seen lots of moose sign hiking, but never a moose. I've only seen them roadside. I hope to see one some time. :)
 
cath said:
Pick up a copy of Benjamin Kilham's book Among The Bears
I second that. you'll learn something & enjoy it very much.

(I've only seen two bears in the "wild", one was while taking a shortcut through the Balsams Golf course up in Dixville, it was ransacking the dumpster. The other was on Rt 13 in Goffstown when one went galumphing across the road ahead of my car. A friend of mine who lives nearby told me, "Oh yeah, I know that bear." I have not been either fortunate enough to see them in the wild or misfortunate enough to see them at my bird feeders.)
 
There are bears all over the Whites. We tend to see them more in our back yards and fields in the Franconia area than on the nearby mountains, but they are every where. You'll notice that bear boxes are going into new locations in the Franconia mountains, e.g., the Eliza Brook shelter on the Kinsman Ridge Trail. As others have noted you often see them on the Cannon ski slopes grazing, first, on grubs, and eventually on plant and berry life. Here's a few pictures of bears 2002-04 in or near my backyard. I don't post the exact location of where I live because I don't wish to attract bear hunters but suffice it to say that my back yard isn't very far from WM trails. The worst trouble I ever had with bears when camping, however, was 10 years ago on a backpack in the ADKs. People camped near us had dried and packaged their own beef jerky and their packs must have reeked of the stuff. A couple of bears moved in at night, stole the packs, dragged them off to their pack "dump," and circled our site for the rest of the night. Next morning there was one unhappy camper (from Ohio) in that group, as his car keys had gone missing along with his pack, which he never found. He was out on a stag party so I guess he didn't get himself to the church on time. Bears are wonderful creatures. It's virtually impossible to outwit them when food is involved. There's little reason to fear them unless you get between mama and cub. The only bear "attack" I've heard of around here involved a local physician who was out jogging in the woods with his dog. His dog got between mama and cub, and mama rolled the doc and scratched him up a bit.
The best book I know on bear behavior is Ben Kilham's Among the Bears. Kilham lives in Lyme NH and raises orphan cubs to return to the wild. He has successfully raised and returned them but all too often they've been shot by hunters. Kilham offers some interesting ideas on how to encounter bears. He gives talks locally from time to time with a great slide show.
 
Saw my first bears in the Whites this year on the Red Ridge trail at the base of North Moat. Heard a sound like rain patter on the leaves and saw momma, then noticed baby. They knew I was in the area somewhere, but didn't know where. She kept standing up partially and looking about, and I slowly raised my arm so that she could see me and they slowly headed straight away from me and into the brush. My heart was pounding at being allowed to see these great animals. What a sight, one I won't forget.
 
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