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Nate

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Climbing Peak Above the Nubble

When making an attempt on the Peak above the Nubble, if the quickest route is to ascend the ridge, how difficult is it to go that way and avoid getting on the illegally cut trail? After all, doesn't the illegal trail follow about this course? I'm a little afraid that I might happen upon it by accident and follow it in my ignorance. Any advice on how to avoid this would be appreciated.
Also, for the herd path up Vose Spur, is it a herd path the whole way, or is some bushwhacking required in order to claim this peak? How overgrown is the herd path in general? Is it as bad as the path over to Fort? Thank you in advance for any information provided on either topic.
 
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Nate - when doing PAtN you might use the followiong trip reports for guidance.

http://rbhayes.net/patn.html

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2h6gy/papabear/Day2005_NH_Weekend.html#patn

This is a tough bushwack! PapaBear and I more or less did the same route I believe - there is no easy way up - cliffs on the west side - heavy spruce on the east. You might try heading to the eastern slide from the lower Niubble peak on a dry day - we returned in that general direction and it was easier than the ascent.

For Vose Spur:

http://rbhayes.net/vose.html

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2h6gy/papabear/Day2005_NH_Blitz.html#vosespurnancy

If you head in at the right spot you may be able to link herd paths most of the way to the summit. Study the reports carefully. Try to find the spine of the ridge heading up to the summit - the herd paths stay on the top of it - for the most part. Once you get to the tallus field you will find the herd paths that will take you right to the cannister - it is fairly steep for the last 1/4 mile or so.


Fort is overall easier that Vose or PAtN, while Vose is much easier that PAtN. The only harder bushwack is Scar Ridge!
 
Hello Nate,

I have climbed both the PAN and Vose Spur twice (once in Winter and once in the other 3 seasons), and I have never seen the illegal trail you mention on PAN, or the herd path on Vose Spur, though I do know that there are herd paths on both (I have been a little unlucky, but I have mostly missed them by taking different routes) :D

If you are planning on attempting these two peaks, you should plan on it being a bushwhack all the way. You may be able to find the herd paths and be able to follow them all or most of the way, but I wouldn't count on it...

As for the Fort herd path comparison, I have found that Vose Spur has thicker sections than PAN, but overall, I don't think either are as thick as that section between N. Brother and Fort. Keep in mind that the herd path between N. Brother and Fort is also quite a bit shorter than either of the PAN/Vose Spur herd paths.

Have a great hike/bw!
 
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Nate - when doing PAtN you might use the followiong trip reports for guidance.

http://rbhayes.net/patn.html

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2h6gy/papabear/Day2005_NH_Weekend.html#patn

This is a tough bushwack! PapaBear and I more or less did the same route I believe
Actually, looking at Bob's map (see his first link above), our routes differed: Bob & Gerri went up west of Haystack Mountain (labeled "Nubble Mountain" on his map) from the Gale River Road. Note that they followed the western stream valley up. He also hit two "special" features: Haystack Mountain summit and the "Blair Witch Campsite"

We went up east of both streams and came in on Haystack Road. We followed the ridge up which is on the far right of Bob's map (just off the edge of his picture). We missed both "special" features.

Both routes are popular and have their good and bad points. I suggest you read over both accounts. Onestep and I thought the bushwhack was not too bad.
 
Nate said:
Also, for the herd path up Vose Spur, is it a herd path the whole way, or is some bushwhacking required in order to claim this peak? How overgrown is the herd path in general? Is it as bad as the path over to Fort? Thank you in advance for any information provided on either topic.
Nate

We did Vose Spur last month, a group of 5 of us. We did find herd paths especially near the bottom and near the top. I would guess about 25% - 50% of the route was on paths. Note that it is paths, not path. They come and go and two climbers might be on different paths 20 yards apart. Going down it was harder to find them. We also drifted to the south on the slope (to the right) going down and hit an open rock field (which you can see in pictures of Vose Spur). Check my account:
Vose Spur report

As for Fort: we were lucky I guess. We were on a herd path close to 100% of the way. And yes, you could say it's a single path, not a network of them as on VS. The terrain, being so totally different (much more sub-alpine as apposed to boreal on VS), probably explains that. Fort Mountain report
 
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PAtN: a well-worn path extends SE toward the rocky outcrop, Mt. Haystack, from the old road east of where it's gated. Once at Haystack (after climbing up for a huge view first), follow a herd path S toward the oft-mentioned campsite. S of this, when the path peters out, head west on a faint path, cross the small stream, then parallel this stream S, on its west side, up to where the stream eventually widens into a slide. This slide is on the NW slope of PAtN and is visible from rte. 3 as you drive east toward Twin Mt. Follow this slide to its top, taking the left fork at its apex. A short SE bushwhack gets you to the canister from here. One of the easier bushwhacks of the NEHH.

VOSE: Easier yet. Follow the trail toward the col...Look on the left for a cairn. Bushwhack steeply up, W, through mostly open woods to the top of the ridge that extends S from Vose. You'll find herd paths and animal paths that take you steeply up to the canister. You'll be using your hands as well as your feet climbing the steepness.
 
On our last Vose trip, we partially followed Bob and Geri's directions.: Carrigain Notch trail to a large boulder which bisects the path. Just beyond , there's a herd path that takes you up some distance before it starts to disintegrate. At that point we bushwhacked west to pick up the very good continuous herd path that takes you up the south ridge to the canister. It splits once or twice but in general we stayed on the left. Coming down we lost the herd path after a while: Cantdog continued down the ridge while the rest of us bushwhacked east to the trail. We met again a short distance down the trail, so neither route was better or worse. I've never encountered the talus field that others have.

One time we did make a mistake by heading down into the bowl between Vose and Signal Ridge, and it was truly horrible, although some may enjoy ankle-deep bog combined with many waist-high blowdowns. :D

The south ridge follows the east side of a brook, which we've used to climb up and descend in its lower section, and it's a beautiful brookwhack, if you like that sort of thing. Have fun!
 
Vose Spur and Peak Above the Nubble

Since my last posting, I have climbed both these peaks. For Vose Spur, I started my bushwhack around the corner from the four foot high boulder. What I thought was the herd path quickly died out, leaving me to bushwhack for the next twenty minutes through semi-dense stuff, heading up toward what I thought was the summit. I then thankfully found the next herd path (at a point that turned out to be relatively low in its climb), which led me up to the summit. I found the path to not be too difficult to follow in most places, but there were a few spots where it would grow indistinct and thus I'd miss a turn here or there, but I was always able to find it again. I never did find the talus slope that other people have written about, but then again, on the day I did this it was overcast enough that I could have passed near to it and not noticed. On the way down, I followed the herd path until it petered out on the southern slopes of the peak. By that point I had overshot where I had joined the path, and continuing forward, in about five minutes I came out at the brook south/southeast of Vose. From there, a twenty minute walk (which was slow going because it was along the brook) brought me back to the Carrigain Ridge Trail, about a mile from where it splits from the Signal Ridge Trail. But basically, long story short, there is no one herd path that connects the Carrigain Notch Path to the summit of Vose Spur, but if you're lucky enough, you'll find the path to the canister early on enough that the amount of bushwhacking you do is minimal.
As for the Peak Above the Nubble, I found Papa Bear's trip report to be very useful. I would just note that the sand pit near the beginning of the hike is more of a large sand wall than an actual sand pit, since it's only on one side of the trail. Plus, it's closer to a quarter mile from Haystack Road rather than a half mile. At that point (where the sand wall is), the logging road initially seems to split, but the left branch ends at the far edge of the clearing, while the right branch continues onward. The skidder road Papa Bear mentioned is the first one the logging road encounters, and it is the only one to intersect the logging road in that area. As for the illegal trail to PatN, it actually doesn't go this way, and I think it actually heads up from the North Twin Trail (but this is only an assumption). I didn't see this illegitimate path at all on the way up, and it's only on my descent that I inadvertantly found it. I was following the herd path down from PatN, and once I had passed over Nubble Peak, the trail proceeded to drop steeply off the mountain. Immediately recognizing it for what it was, I then backtracked a little to the outlook on Nubble to re-orient myself. Once I had, I bushwhacked off the ridge the way I had ascended, but avoiding the Peak below the Nubble, since it was far too dense for me to want to tangle with it again. Overall, this wasn't a bad hike, thanks to Papa Bear's quality directions, and the fact this route doesn't pass through many dense areas.
 
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