Huntington Central Gully -- 5/5/07

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Well, Townie told the story of what his team did, let me fill you in what the rest of us did.

When the ten of us reached the rocks below Central and Odells, we took a break and then Team SG (Mad Townie, 7summits, and cbcbd) headed off to climb South Gully and then had a good time of it. For the rest of us, the experience was a little different...

The seven of us split into two teams. Team CG I, consisting of Swamp, skimom, and Jeff decided to just hit it. Team CG II, consisting of me, Giggy, Abster, and Arm roped up at the start.

At first the going was pretty easy as we climbed the snow and worked out way into the gully. Apparently, along the way Swamp got sucked into some kind of wormhole in the space/time continuum and wound up flying up the thing and topping out solo in the blink of an eye. For the rest of us, it proved more of a challenge.

We were going along pretty well until we got to the bulge. We weren't quite as comfortable going up with out protection and so Arm went up to help Jeff set up some pro and to get a rope to skimom (out team's rope was closer than the one Jeff had). With the corn snow, setting any kind of anchor was proving difficult and while Giggy, Abster, and I waited below the bulge, they tried their best to secure a route. However, ice kept breaking off and racing down the slope. It seemed like every five minutes someone was yelling "Ice!" and we were ducking. Giggy got hit it the helmet with a piece slightly larger than a softball and I got a tennisball sized one off of mine.

That wasn't enough though. Another piece, this one bigger than a breadbox broke off and came rocketing down toward me. I saw it coming and I tried to duck and turn at the same time so if I got hit, I would get hit in the pack, but I couldn't move fast enough and it slammed into the left side of my back, just shy of my pack and below my shoulder blade. It knocked the wind out of me and I went down in a lot of pain. Fortunately, I didn't get knocked off the ledge we were on. While I was roped in, I still would have gone for a ways.

We assessed the situation and figured that I wasn't having any trouble breathing and that nothing was broken. If it had hit me in the arm, I wouldn't have been so lucky. Looking at where we were and what we had just climbed up, I figured that going down would be way too difficult and that only left one direction, up.

A little while later, they had everything set, and we kept moving. Jeff got a belay set up on a rock outcropping further up and arm had been able to set some picketts in some shady areas. I found using one of my ice tools in combination with my mountaineering axe to be the best way to go. In some parts the axe easily slipped all the way down into the snow and in other parts I found it difficult to get the pick of my tool out. Sometimes, the going was smooth with easily sunk picks and other times, the ice would just shatter and skid down the slope. All the while, my back/side was killing me. At one point, Giggy (who was at the end of our line) had to drop back and help a skier who was coming up and had lost one of his crampons!! :eek: Fortunately, the crampon was recovered and the guy wound up being OK.

After what seemed a lifetime, we finally topped out only to have some clown (cbcbd) be throwing pebbles at us calling out "Rock!" If only he'd known what we had just gone through!! Still, he more than made up for the bad joke later when he greated us near the beginning of the Tuck Rav trail. (Thanks, man!)

Meeting up with rest of the team we headed down Lion Head winter route and that was slow going on a miserable trail. Still, I was just glad to be standing upright!

Back at camp, we enjoyed the best food, fire, and friends one could want after an adventure like that. Thanks again Giggy and everyone else who helped make this weekend the rockin' good time that it was!!!
 
nice report,

DB - in theory, your self belay to your axe would have held you if the ice would have knocked you over - if not, I was anchored pretty good at the ledge and would have held you if needed. and if you recall, you had at least 2 pickets set above you. so chances were, you would have been fine. hurt -but not at the bottom of the fan!

our team of 4 wanted to running belay it, so arm and I were switching off cleaning and leading, picked up dani on buldge - jeff set up a hasty belay to bring up a couple of people who wanted it - it took a bit longer than ideal on the ice bulge - but it worked out.

great job to arm who was able to find some good ice to get 2 bomber screws in - I know, I had to pull em!

I have done central 4 or 5 times now and that was the most ice I have seen that that gully - and it was rotten snow and ice as well.


falling ice, rock, rotten corn snow, hot weather - DB - your ready for the cascades. :)

lots of scary crap coming down on sat - :eek:

fun though
 
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Glad to hear that your ice hit was not so bad after all!!

It was a great day and I, for one, had a blast.

Jeff and I formed our own team after we got left in the dust? snow? ice? by swamp who almost ran up the gully... well seemed like he was running anyway.... so I guess that makes us Team CG IIa??

I had such a great time... well, not the part where I stood on that little perch for what seemed like hours, only to climb up sans belay in the end. Oh, and Lion's Head Trail, that was the worst trail I think I have ever been on.

Other than that, great times with great friends!!

Thanks for bringing us all together, Gig!!
 
Wow,
What a trip. Ice fall, soloing! Were any of you guys first timers out there?!

Central is usually one of the safest, well protected routes in Huntington.

Don't be turned off, just try it in April next time! Glad to hear DB is ok.

-percious
 
couple first timers in hunts, but no bare bone beginners that have never seen tech snow or ice before.

chris - you know how it goes with these things - its never perfect and ya try to make it is safe as possible, deal with what happens - though just by being were you are, its always a risk.

we all knew the risk of the falling rock and ice and thought it was one worth taking.
 
"Giggy could write guidebooks." - Good lord I bet they would have some colorful terminology and "interesting" diagrams... like how to use your ice tool's adze to open a beer bottle while on self-belay.

But I'd welcome him on my rope team anytime!
 
Double Bow said:
After what seemed a lifetime, we finally topped out only to have some clown (cbcbd) be throwing pebbles at us calling out "Rock!" If only he'd known what we had just gone through!! Still, he more than made up for the bad joke later when he greated us near the beginning of the Tuck Rav trail. (Thanks, man!)
Yeah, I've been known to have great timing and tact... :rolleyes:
...and once again - the power of beer!! :D

You guys were stellar - that rocky topout had to have sucked!!
 
Very lucky!
Almost a year ago, someone in our group got hit straight on the head (she was wearing a helmet) by a football sized chunk of ice. She was knocked out cold for almost 2 minutes and then we evac'ed her on a stretcher.

Glad to see everyone is ok.

Fish
 
Geezum, I almost feel guilty for the great conditions we had on South! :eek:

DB, glad to hear everything's OK.

So, you folks were there, do you think Abster's ready for Mt. Blanc? ;) My guess is she's been ready all along!
 
Gully Climbing Rocks!

Thanks MT - I feel much more confident in my skills now than I did 2 months ago! This is mostly because I am feeling more comfortable with heights and being roped up.

There was definitely a lot of adrenaline on Sat. during this climb, but excitment as well!

Many thanks to Arm for leading the bulge and ensuring we had good protection and thanks to Gig for leading the rest of it and setting up the whole weekend... :D Really enjoyed climbing with Dani too!

Glad DB is good - I couldn't believe the size of the ice chunk he got hit with. :eek: :(

Glad the Left Gully folks had fun also.
 
What was it about falling ice??

This is what you passed on the way up that day:
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Otherwise, sounds like a great day on the snow... truly working as a team and getting to the destination - bumps and all. Congrats on doing it all right and having a good time at it.

Mention of the Lion Head trail being miserable - snow conditions or what?
 
bubba said:
What was it about falling ice??

all part of the game. :)

(I know bubba is just goofing here)

but...
Before anyone starts saying "why were these guys in there", lets get it straight that all of the people on this trip are also training for some climbs out west and the alps where rock and icefall are part of the norm on summer climbs. The purpose was to try and simulate rope team travel and deal with this stuff as team - which was done. :cool:
 
bubba said:
Mention of the Lion Head trail being miserable - snow conditions or what?

Lion Head winter route is steep basically a hard packed shute. After we took a few falls, we put on crampons. However, the large group that wound up ahead of us didn't use traction and so we wound up waiting around 20min to go about 30 yards in one section. There is one part where you basically have to drop about eight feet off of a rock and there really are good good steps to help you.

Giggy is right. Good protection was set up and we all got in some excellent practice dealing with the situations that could arise for us in the not too distant future. We were real lucky to have been able to practice these skills this late in the season and this will no doubt serve us well on higher peaks. Thanks again for settin' this up, man.
 
I have been up or down lions head winter about 10 to 15 times and that was the worst shape I have seen it - in fact, I was kind of surprised it was still being used this past weekend. We could have gone down the summer route, but it wasn't broken out - I checked! wasn't interested in breaking trail to be honest.

Typically (at least when I have been on it) - there is more snow/ice on the tricky sections, which actually makes it easier b/c you can plant your axe and downclimb, etc..
 
SherpaKroto said:
DB: good that you had the tequila. The Doctor wouldn't have been able to dent that pain! Glad you are OK.
Sherpa, last night I had a dream that you had a huge jug (about the size of a keg), with something in it - you gave me a cup of it and it burned like fire!!!
What kind of moonshine are you making up in them backwoods?

but...
Before anyone starts saying "why were these guys in there", lets get it straight that all of the people on this trip are also training for some climbs out west and the alps where rock and icefall are part of the norm on summer climbs. The purpose was to try and simulate rope team travel and deal with this stuff as team - which was done.

Honestly, I would've probably have head up into Central that day if my partners wanted to, but from what happened it just goes to show how things like starting time and route finding can greatly impact safety on alpine routes - especially on avalanche prone areas (on unstable snowpack, sunlight and heat are bad!). An earlier start would've made it much safer for everyone up there, whichever gully they were in.

I'm just saying... it's good to get pelted with some small rocks and small ice to understand the importance of helmets and calling out "ice" and "rock", but if it's avoidable then one should probably make as many choices to avoid those dangers - cuz big ice and big rocks come down fast and hard.

...learning experiences...
 
Great post cbcbd.

One common practice when releasing a big chunk is to slam it with your axe so that it breaks into a bunch of little pieces, they hit much more softly. My regular ice buddy does this for me, and I appreciate it!

-percious
 
cbcbd said:
Honestly, I would've probably have head up into Central that day if my partners wanted to, but from what happened it just goes to show how things like starting time and route finding can greatly impact safety on alpine routes - especially on avalanche prone areas (on unstable snowpack, sunlight and heat are bad!). An earlier start would've made it much safer for everyone up there, whichever gully they were in.
South was a good choice for another reason--Central was crowded. The fewer people, the lower the chance that something will get knocked down or dropped on someone else. Also fewer issues with differing paces, tangled ropes, etc.

I'm just saying... it's good to get pelted with some small rocks and small ice to understand the importance of helmets and calling out "ice" and "rock", but if it's avoidable then one should probably make as many choices to avoid those dangers - cuz big ice and big rocks come down fast and hard.

...learning experiences...
Hopefully one lives long enough to learn from such experiences.

Doug
 
no significant ice was knocked down by climbers, there was one ice shelf above the bulge off to right that still had a decent amount of ice on it that melted when the sun hit it and came - this was obviously where it was coming from. From the base, it looked liked most of the ice had already melted out that we could see with the exception of pinnacle and the bulge, which I wasn't really worried about. if the ice on the bulge went, it likely would have went off to our left and down. We traveled fast past pinnacle so that wasn't really an issue.

all in all, it was a safe climb with the normal spring hazards to deal with. We spent a little more time than we should have near the bulge, but these things happen with a larger group. Some people wanted belays on the bulge and as any climber knows - nobody is ever refused a belay.

We could have got ross down if we had to, as the terrain below the bulge was very easy to downclimb and lower. ross wanted to go up, felt he could go up and there was no reason why he couldn't continue up as he wasn't injured per se, more shook up than anything - he held it togther like a pro and decided that he wanted to go up. I know becuase I had the conversation with him and was listening and watching him after he got hit.

we were self sufficent, we protected the route, and dealt with things as they came along.

whatever - folks can sit there and say what they want, it was a fun day, a good climb and really not much more ice came down than any of the other times I have been on central or any other ice climb for that matter.

I know people mean well here, I am just saying my POV.
 
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