Ranking the NH 4Ks by other 4Ks that are visible

[bikehikeskifish]

Can anyone who has the Scudder's Viewing Guide handy check on the ranking / number of peaks visible from:

1. Carrigain (43 of the other 47 - all but Cannon, Galehead, Madison and Moriah)
2. Osceola (my recollection is that this #2)
...
Where does Washington fall and how many / which one(s) are (not) visibile?

And, perhaps more-specifically, is it the summit of the 43 ... or some portion?

Thanks,
Tim

 

[Driver8]

Can anyone who has the Scudder's Viewing Guide handy check on the ranking / number of peaks visible from:

1. Carrigain (43 of the other 47 - all but Cannon, Galehead, Madison and Moriah)
2. Osceola (my recollection is that this #2)
...
Where does Washington fall and how many / which one(s) are (not) visibile?

And, perhaps more-specifically, is it the summit of the 43 ... or some portion?

Thanks,
Tim

Per Smith and Dickerman, at page 538-539 of their 4000-Footers book, Washington and Carrigain are tied at 43 other White summits visible from their summits.

The top 12 of their list, including "theoretical viewshed" for peaks with views blocked by trees and scrub is:

1. Washington, Carriagain - 43
3. Osceola, East Osceola, North Hancock - 41
6. Jefferson, Passaconaway, Whiteface - 40
9. Cabot - 39
10. Lafayette, Lincoln, Bond - 38

As to the #1's, Washington misses Galehead, Cannon (though the Tramway building, slightly lower than the summit, can be seen) and the two Kinsmen, while Carrigain misses Cannon and Galehead, too, as well as Moriah and Madison.

 

[bikehikeskifish]

Perfect, thank you! I'm pretty sure I cannot see Washington from West Bond, but maybe the very tip-top is visible.

Tim

 

[Lefty E]

Washington is visible from West Bond (just the very tip) and the very tip of West Bond is visible from Washington but only in good light......

 

[bikehikeskifish]

I still think Carrigain "wins" because you can clearly see and identify it from those other 43 and vice versa. I guess, with careful examination, there could be a portion of Washington visible in this picture.

Tim

 

[blacknblue]

Per Smith and Dickerman, Washington and Carrigain, at page 538-549 of their 4000-Footers book, are tied at 43 other White summits visible from their summits.

Their list, including "theoretical viewshed" for peaks with views blocked by trees and scrub is:

1. Washington, Carriagain - 43
3. Osceola, East Osceola, North Hancock - 41
6. Jefferson, Passaconaway, Whiteface - 40
9. Cabot - 39
10. Lafayette, Lincoln, Bond - 38

As to the #1's, Washington misses Galehead, Cannon (though the Tramway building, slightly lower than the summit, can be seen) and the two Kinsmen, while Carrigain misses Cannon and Galehead, too, as well as Moriah and Madison.

So which mountain ranks last?

I would have guessed South Twin was in the top 10. It seems like you are really in the heart of the Whites on South Twin.

 

[RichS]

My Scudder's is not the best for answering this question.
The 1995 edition identifies only 34 from Carrigain by name:
Hancock Moosilauke Flume SKinsman Liberty NKinsman Lincoln OwlsHead Lafayette Bondcliff Garfield WBond Bond STwin NTwin Zealand Hale Cabot Field Willey Jefferson Eisenhower Jackson Adams Washington Isolation CarterDome Passaconaway Whiteface NTripyramid EOsceola Tecumseh Osceola SHancock

MTripyramid is a bump to the left of NTripyramid
Waumbek is in front of Cabot
MCarter is visible but only NCarter is identified
SCarter is visible on the Carter range
Tom is visible as a large bump to the left of Field
Monroe is a bump to the right of Adams
Pierce is a tiny bump to the left of Eisenhower
Wildcat can be presumed from a ridge connected to Carter Dome (no Carter Notch visible)
WildcatD can be presumed in front of Wildcat

no Cannon Moriah Galehead Madison, as has been noted

I didn't bother checking other views, expecting a similar undercount.

 

[TJsName]

So which mountain ranks last?

I would have guessed South Twin was in the top 10. It seems like you are really in the heart of the Whites on South Twin.

Well, views vs. theoretical views? Zealand and Waumbec are probably the most socked in by trees. I guess if the question is, what peak can be seen from the view other peaks I would guess it's Moriah or one of the Carters, since most of the range is blocked by the Presidentials. I would guess you can only see Moriah from Cabot, Waumbec, Madison, Adams, Jefferson, Washington, Middle Carter, Carter Dome, and maybe Isolation.

 

[bikehikeskifish]

Given East Osceola's position on the list, I believe they are theoretical views without scrub. I guess I am convinced I can just make out the tip of Washington, although it looks like a pile of snow on the slope of Bond, from West Bond. JUST BARELY visible. Maybe more so without the trees on Bond. Peakfinder.org shows West Bond from Washington, again, just barely.

Tim

 

[skiguy]

If your an smartphone user an cart it with you in the mountains this is a fun app to play with. http://www.peakfinder.org/mobile/

 

[sierra]

I heard many years ago that Carrigain viewed the most 4k's, though I cant support that with hard data. It would make sense, if you lay out the map of the Whites and look were it sits, geographically its pretty centered.

 

[Driver8]

I still think Carrigain "wins" because you can clearly see and identify it from those other 43 and vice versa. I guess, with careful examination, there could be a portion of Washington visible in this picture.

Looks like you can faintly discern Washington's summit areas in your pic, Tim, but it's hard to tell.

If one gives the "win" to Carrigain, of course it's only as to fellow White 4K's. If state line boundaries are disregarded, I doubt there's a mountain in New England which sees more of the hundred highest, the 67 and the 50 finest than Washington. Maybe Mansfield or Camel's Hump, though I doubt it. Mansfield might see more 4Ks total, including the Adirondacks.

 

[Driver8]

Well, views vs. theoretical views? Zealand and Waumbec are probably the most socked in by trees. I guess if the question is, what peak can be seen from the view other peaks I would guess it's Moriah or one of the Carters, since most of the range is blocked by the Presidentials. I would guess you can only see Moriah from Cabot, Waumbec, Madison, Adams, Jefferson, Washington, Middle Carter, Carter Dome, and maybe Isolation.

Here's the whole list, per Smith and Dickerman:

1. Washington, Carrigain - 43
3. Osceola, East Osceola, North Hancock - 41
6. Jefferson, Passaconaway, Whiteface - 40
9. Cabot - 39
10. Lafayette, Lincoln, Bond - 38
13. South Hancock - 37
14. Middle Tripyramid, North Tripyramid, Tecumseh, Waumbek - 36
18. South Twin - 35
19. Moosilauke - 34
20. Flume, Willey - 33
22. Eisenhower, Liberty, Monroe
25. Adams - 31
26. Garfield, Jackson, Pierce - 30
29. Carter Dome, Isolation - 29
31. Bondcliff, Field - 28
33. North Twin - 27
34. Wildcat A - 26
35. Wildcat D - 24
36. Hale, West Bond - 23
38. Middle Carter, Owl's Head, North Kinsman - 22
41. South Kinsman, Tom - 21
43. Zealand - 20
44. South Carter - 19
45. Cannon - 16
46. Galehead - 11
47. Madison - 10
48. Moriah - 8

ON EDIT: Moriah, per Peakfinder.com, can see Carter Dome, Middle Carter, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Waumbek and Cabot. Madison, despite its high stature, can see only Moriah, Middle and South Carter, Carter Dome, Wildcat A and D, Washington, Adams, Waumbek and Cabot.

 

[TJsName]

Hey, not too shabby, huh?

 

[bikehikeskifish]

Here is a zoom with the arrow pointing at "Washington" (I think). Clearly, Carrigain has a better view of its 43 than Washington does.

Tim

p.s. Thanks again for the final tally, Chris. And yes, I was only interested in the NH48 for this exercise.