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I recently received the 2005 Backpacker Magazine Gear Guide. It is much different than the past few years. Instead of showing all the products sold by most major manufacturers, they only list products that they recommend. In addition, they are showing flowcharts that provide recommended products, based on what your preferences are. In many cases (footwear most notably), they are no longer publishing average weights.

I am quite disappointed in the new format, but wanted to know what fellow VFTT'ers think.

THANKS,
Marty
 
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i give NO weight to what BP mag recommends, never have. But, that grid thingie in last years "guide" WAS a nice reference point for prod weights. havent seen new issue, cancelled my subscription years ago when it began looking like a mag full of ads... but who even needs that if ya got internet? ;)
 
Yea I was dissapointed with this years gear guide as well.
I guesss I shouldn't have been surprised as the magazine gets more
dissapointing all the time.
 
kiteflyer said:
Yea I was dissapointed with this years gear guide as well.
I guesss I shouldn't have been surprised as the magazine gets more
dissapointing all the time.

What would make it better?

I have not seen the gear review issue yet. Nor do I normally read magazines. But i'm interested in what would make a better hiking/backpacking mag than Backpacker.
 
The magazine has progressively gotten worse, but flip to the end of the magazine and they do have the lists of products from the manufacterers.
 
I checked out that issue and was disappointed too.

The flow charts are hard to read, present less info than in the past, and look like an Art Director's dream -- lots of color and activity -- but not very practical from an information architecture point of view.

Also, product listings are much less comprehensive (try to find the Gregory Z pack for instance). In addition, I wonder how advertiser-driven the listings are. I noted that lots of advertisers bought space across from their listing.

All in all, a change for the worse in my estimation.

Maybe Consumer Reports can begin covering outdoor gear?

cb
 
I WAS DISAPPOINTED ALSO.
ANYONE KNOW OF ANY GOOD ALTERNATIVE REVIEW SOURCES :confused: ?
 
It's all about the sponsorships.....

I've given up on Backpacker for any relevant/bias-free info on gear of any sort related to "backpacking". I have also given up on them to print articles of relevance for folks this side of the Mississippi - exception to this is the admirable attempt to publish "regionally" relevant attractions/trails - all of which most folks know anyway.

Gone are the days of family backpacking or the attempts to propagate it in the "chic" and "hip" glossy magazines. Everything is an adventure race or training for one. What happened to just going out for a weekend for purely hedonistic reasons? I love training as much as the next person, but my 16 month-old daughter is more interested in butterflys or splashing water in a creek. The publishers would have us believe we are all 20-somethings bent on tri-athalons or super-speedy thru-hikes with no responsibilities other than our vocational pursuits.

Like the climbing rags, it's all about fiscal survival and the sensationalism that provides for it. In climbing pubs, there is a new kid in town "Alpinist" - pretty pricey, but it's not the typical mindless, advertising trash and drivel that other outdoor mags have de-generated into.

Rant off.

Mm
 
Have anybody seen this website:

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/

Usually, when I'm interested in a product (any product, doesn't have to be backpacking, could be skiing, kayaking, cycling), I'd simply do a google search. Sometimes I'd come across the above site, which has real folks (presumably any old backpacker, not affiliated with any paid position) review gear and post a review. I've read a bunch from various gear that I was interested in. Always wondered how good they are but they seem to be at least unbiased, although they aren't all necessarily NE based which is where I think their weakness might be. Depending on the product of course.

Jay
 
PB Magazine

It's already in the Recycle Bin...

The magazine has gotten worse and worse,
since when is kayaking and canoeing considered
to be "backpacking?"
 
Seems everything has a commercial twist, even a political twist, these days, including the so-called "news".

I've always taken Backpackers' Gear Guide with a grain of salt because of the advertising connection but always found it to be a a helpful resource to making gear choices because of the facts they presented on each item. I've narrowed the choices of a number of major purchase decisions because of this information ... reserving the final slection until after I kicked the tires.

The Guide often lead to me gear not ordinarily stocked in the usual stores.

Haven't seen the latest Gear Guide but it sounds like they're dumbing down the audience with that flow chart approach. In my opinion, if someone hasn't yet developed the knowledge and experience to know how to match their needs with the facts presented then they are perhaps not ready for the risk entailed in investing in major gear.
 
i got too much stuff anyway. i've found all i "need" is:

boots (i love my boots)
poles
2 daypacks (i small for summer and one larger for winter with the winter one doubling for summer overnights)
sleepin' bag (which i really don't need as i rarely stay out overnight)
hydration bladder (my favorite pice of gear)
swiis army knife (though all i ever really use is the corscrew)

backpacker mag is fun to flip through, but it's really just gear porn, i think.

whatever, i agree with terry and ospreyboya!! :D
 
Backpacker has fallen off a cliff

It used to be fairly good. Seems that Rodale's profit needs and, the always avialable 'bribes' (AKA ads), have steered it to what is now is. Pretty bad...

Of the gear guide issues over the years, last year's was the best.

While not good, it still seems to be the least bad option -- certainly better than Outside. I'm on board as soon as something better comes along.
 
Backpacker sucks - way too many ads - there is almost no substance at all.

I family freind subscibes to it - and never been on a trail, doesn't own a backpack - but wears the gear! - Particually north face stuff.

They stock it at train station I take - so I flip though it and actually bought the issue where the regional section was first introduced - what a load of *****.
 
Face it this forum has enough talent and experience to run a magazine of its own and corner the market. Many of you have as much or more experience as any of the writers in Backpacker. However the scope of VFTT is focused on the northeast and not on the rest of the continent.
Magazines start out with a good concept and loyalty to a vison, sooner or later the vision shifts to making money off the advertisers. Somebody mentioned Outside. That magazine was incredible when it first came out.
 
This seems to be a common trajectory for outdoors oriented magazines. They get started by a small group of people dedicated to an activity and are about normal people performing the activity and the equipment required to do so. Initially the articles are high quality and relevent to ordinary people involved in the activity. As time goes on the magazine gets a larger circulation, picks up more ads, gets glossier, perhaps has changes in personell, economics intrudes, they get bought out, etc. Eventually, it ends up covering mostly high profile commercial stuff and little of the original emphasis on things which ordinary people can do.

Maybe we just have to wait for the next start-up magazine. Repeat every 10 or 20 years as needed.

Doug
 
The issue of Backpacker Magazine comes up every so often, and last did about a month or so ago. Some may recall that the editor of Backpacker, Jon Dorn, joined VFTT, and replied. Here was his reply:

Reply from Backpacker

Jon Dorn from Backpacker here. Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I read your posts with interest -- and occasionally some angst, to be sure. It's great to see so much passion about the sport of backpacking and about Backpacker, even if a good number of the comments are critical. Please know that we take all feedback from readers very seriously.

In fact, it was feedback from subscribers that led us to introduce the regional editions. We constantly hear from Backpacker readers that they want us to give them more hikes within a few hours of where they live. The first thing we did, earlier this year, was introduce the Waypoints cards, which added about a dozen hikes all across the country to the magazine. Then we added the regional editions, each with its own set of Waypoints cards, so the hikes get a lot closer to home for readers in those areas. It's important to note that we did all of this without taking away any of the existing pages of the magazine, so you still get stories like the North Cascades adventure guide in the February issue and the Grand Canyon guide in the December issue. The Waypoints were a straight-up addition and enhancement.

We know that the regional content -- which right now just amounts to a sheet of 6 Waypoints hikes for each of 6 regions -- is still a work in progress. We're hoping to expand the local information we can provide, again without sacrificing the big trips and national park stories everyone loves. I hope you'll all keep reading to see how we do on this front.

There was one post that suggested this is an advertising gambit. That is entirely incorrect. These additions are all about responding to reader requests. As you can see from the current issue, there is no regional advertising. In fact, this move required a big investment from our parent company, Rodale, which saw an opportunity to serve the hiking market a better magazine.

That's all -- hope you'll keep reading and critiquing Backpacker. And please feel free to send any comments to me directly at [email protected]. [later corrected to [email protected]]

Jon Dorn


I share many of the concerns expressed by others about the magazine. In spite of its shortcomings, I don't think there is any magazine that attempts to cover backpacking in the way that Backpacker Magazine does (if there is one, please post). It was the opinion of some of the posters at the time that Jon Dorn scored high marks by being willing to listen, apparently sincerely, to comments both positive and negative. Rather than complaining amongst ourselves (doesn't get us anywhere), it might be better to shoot Jon Dorn an email ([email protected]) with polite, constructive criticism. If enough people from a "community" (VFTT) of experienced hikers do this, I would guess that it would at least carry more weight than a single random critique. Taking Jon Dorn at his word, I have every confidence that he will listen to what people, at least as a group, have to say, recognizing that a magazine cannot be all things to all people, and that VFTT represents a small minority of the hiking community. From a publishing standpoint (and I have absolutely zippo knowledge of the industry), I'm sure there are issues they must consider that the public is not aware of. But they can't deny the input of their readership, whether positive or negative.
 
The back of the gear guide has each manufacturer's full list of products. I use the guide to look up weights of various products before going to the store (although with a grain of salt). Lesser of two evils (Backpacker vs. Manufacturer). Also, many stores do not carry a manufacturers full product line so this at least provides a starting point.

One needs to consider like an other magazine or publication the advertising impact and money manufacturers pump into these publications. Not sure if the backbacking industry is on the top of Spitzer's list of market sectors he plans on investigating???
 
Puck said:
Somebody mentioned Outside. That magazine was incredible when it first came out.

This month's Outside is actually nothing short of incredible. There are at least 2 or 3 articles in there that are on par with some of National Geographic's stories. I was amazed, actually.

As far as Backpacker goes, I'm still a subscriber, even after I started that last rant/thread. I don't think they got the point regarding the regionalization issue-- I wasn't disappointed that some content was removed, only that issues shipped to other parts of the country were receiving content that I wasn't. I use magazines like Backpacker to plan getaways, not to plan hikes in my backyard.

Anyway, Gear Guide-- I love Gear Guides, if only because it'll usually show a lot of new gear, usually half of which I've never heard of. It'll also share some opinions, which I don't hold in very high regard, but do take into consideration. Even if they don't get with the program regarding all of the ads or the regionalization, I'll probably always buy that Gear Guide. It's like visiting a gear manufacturers trade show.
 
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