AMC Action Plan for 2025-30

[Dr. Dasypodidae]

You probably don't even realize how partisan your post is. Spilt waste from the AMC, no problem, the Cog, plant killers.

Not the way that I read Old Eric’s post, in which he seems to place the AMC huts, Cog, and AR on a par for concentrating and disposing of human waste in the alpine.

 

[sierra]

Not the way that I read Old Eric’s post, in which he seems to place the AMC huts, Cog, and AR on a par for concentrating and disposing of human waste in the alpine.

He clearly states that without the Cog flowers would be growing in place of the tracks, hence the Cog is a bad thing. While he sings the praise of the AMCs capacity to consolidate human waste. You really can't see that in his post?

 

[Dr. Dasypodidae]

He clearly states that without the Cog flowers would be growing in place of the tracks, hence the Cog is a bad thing. While he sings the praise of the AMCs capacity to consolidate human waste. You really can't see that in his post?

I read that Old Eric was implying that without the Cog and AR concentrating human waste at the summit, the waste would be all over the summit cone, which would impact the alpine vegetation in a negative way, like if the huts were not there to concentrate and remove human waste. But it appears that the post has been removed, so unless Old Eric provides more specifics, we are stuck with different interpretations.

 

[helmethiker]

Before I wade in to something too deep for my boots, let me repeat a universally known truth: When you gotta go, you gotta go.

Actually as a day hiker I wait until the next available "rest stop". These are much more frequent in the Adirondacks than the Whites, and it can be annoying when you get to the bottom of the Monadnock Old Toll Road and find that the portajohn rest stop has been removed for the season, but the gas station is not that far away and I can dispose of solids and fill up on fluids there. While I carry TP etc. with me, I do not believe I have ever used it in the woods other than at and in a privy. Whether this record and attitude can be maintained on the 18 mile round trip hike to Mt Allen remains to be seen. I am pretty sure that there are rest stops near Redfield and Cliff, and I was OK on Seymour, Donaldson and Emmons so Seward should also be OK. And that would complete the NE 115.

 

[helmethiker]

I read that Old Eric was implying that without the Cog and AR concentrating human waste at the summit, the waste would be all over the summit cone, which would impact the alpine vegetation in a negative way, like if the huts were not there to concentrate and remove human waste. But it appears that the post has been removed, so unless Old Eric provides more specifics, we are stuck with different interpretations.

OldEric's post is still there in "section 2" of this thread. A relative long way back.

 

[JoshandBaron]

He clearly states that without the Cog flowers would be growing in place of the tracks, hence the Cog is a bad thing. While he sings the praise of the AMCs capacity to consolidate human waste. You really can't see that in his post?

He doesn't say that at all. The Cog is on the other side of the mountain from the alpine garden and the quotes around flowers is a clear reference to toilet paper.

 

[Lone Stranger]

He clearly states that without the Cog flowers would be growing in place of the tracks, hence the Cog is a bad thing. While he sings the praise of the AMCs capacity to consolidate human waste. You really can't see that in his post?

You have grossly misinterpreted his words. Is that intentional?

 

[Daniel Eagan]

While I realize that the landscapes are different, and there are other mitigating factors, the hut experience in Europe is markedly better than in the Whites. It may be because huts in the Alps are privately owned, which means there is actual competition for hikers. The result: showers, saunas, microbreweries, gourmet food, private rooms—all at a fraction of what the AMC charges.

 

[KRooney]

While I realize that the landscapes are different, and there are other mitigating factors, the hut experience in Europe is markedly better than in the Whites. It may be because huts in the Alps are privately owned, which means there is actual competition for hikers. The result: showers, saunas, microbreweries, gourmet food, private rooms—all at a fraction of what the AMC charges.

I agree. I'm especially partial to the Dolomites.

 

[OldEric]

You probably don't even realize how partisan your post is. Spilt waste from the AMC, no problem, the Cog, plant killers.

That's an odd conclusion. I am lumping the huts, the cog, the autoroad and the summit buildings into the same bucket. They are all things that the purists tend to object to an all things that provide some facilities for handling human waste (the autoroad indirectly). My conjecture was that without those things there would be more poop etc scattered about. But maybe not.

And partisan doesn't mean what you think it does.

 

[sierra]

He doesn't say that at all. The Cog is on the other side of the mountain from the alpine garden and the quotes around flowers is a clear reference to toilet paper.

Well there you go. I had no idea toilet paper was referred to as "flowers".

 

[sierra]

That's an odd conclusion. I am lumping the huts, the cog, the autoroad and the summit buildings into the same bucket. They are all things that the purists tend to object to an all things that provide some facilities for handling human waste (the autoroad indirectly). My conjecture was that without those things there would be more poop etc scattered about. But maybe not.

And partisan doesn't mean what you think it does.

Maybe I didn't understand your point the way you intended, online forums can lead to poor communication verses face to face conversations. No sense beating a dead horse. I guess whether or not the waste problem would be better or worse without the various places to go, is something we just will never know, as none of the existing facilities are not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[pwsull]

That's an odd conclusion. I am lumping the huts, the cog, the autoroad and the summit buildings into the same bucket. They are all things that the purists tend to object to an all things that provide some facilities for handling human waste (the autoroad indirectly). My conjecture was that without those things there would be more poop etc scattered about. But maybe not.

And partisan doesn't mean what you think it does.

Agree with OldEric about the definition of partisan, but also with sierra about the imprecision of language and how quickly it can get misinterpreted in the on line chat medium without body language or the ability to interact and redefine what is meant in real time. Good reason to be patient and charitable in such conversations.

Here’s what Webster has to say about partisan:


Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › ...
Partisan Definition & Meaning

The meaning of PARTISAN is a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance.

 

[ImYourHuckleberry]

I had never stayed at an AMC hut until this past summer, excepting Zealand Hut one time in the winter caretaker season about 35 years ago. Anyway, mostly I couldn't afford them when I first started hiking, and then when I could afford them, I preferred to use my tarp at either tent sites/shelter areas or stealth areas. But this year I stayed at Greenleaf, Carter and Galehead (2x) on various trips, and mostly enjoyed the stays. (I don't like the entire production around meals and the hut crews being forced to basically beg for tips, but maybe that's "old man yells at cloud" stuff.) Anyway, I just want to object to the hut clients being characterized as elitist and snobby. I met many very nice people and can't recall a single guest that seemed like an ahole.

 

[ImYourHuckleberry]

I'm probably weird in this way, but the huts bother me way less than things like marking trails every 10 feet with reflective blazes, and chiseling steps and traction grids into rock like they did on Falling Waters.

 

[NHClimber]

I'm probably weird in this way, but the huts bother me way less than things like marking trails every 10 feet with reflective blazes, and chiseling steps and traction grids into rock like they did on Falling Waters.

I'm guessing not marking trails conspicuously leads to worse problems.

 

[DayTrip]

Well there you go. I had no idea toilet paper was referred to as "flowers".

Must be from the same dictionary that has "ghetto birds" (trash bags caught in the branches of a tree) and suburban hamsters (rats).

 

[sierra]

You have grossly misinterpreted his words. Is that intentional?

I wasn't going to respond to you, but I changed my mind. I may not be everybody's cup of tea, but disingenuous I am not. I might have misread his intention, and I admitted that in my response to him. I have been a member here for 20 years and have spent more than my share of time in the backcountry. I have my opinions, and they may be strong, but they are mine and frankly whether people agree or not is up to them. All that being said, I don't even recognize your name, so I don't know you and you don't know me, so save the accusations for someone you know.

 

[Ear Drum]

Ha, ha, good point.

Cata = Carter Notch
da Flea = Greenleaf
Madhouse = Madison
Zool = Zealand
Ghoul = Galehead
Lone = Lonesome
Pah = Mizpah
Lakes = Lakes of the Clouds

Thanks for sharing this, hadn't heard any of these, aside from "Lakes."