mavs00
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Neil said:Everybody seems to be in agreement on:
-herd trail formation on trailless peaks is undesirable.
-herd trails can form quickly and easily
-increasing numbers of people are doing the trailless peaks heightening the risk of trail formation
-internet is playing a role in publicizing these peaks and is partly (greatly?)responsible for the increase.
-the once trailless ADK 46er peaks are an example of what can happen to the now trailless peaks.
Whither now? One can attempt a passive effort. Ie. remain silent about one's own trips. The way things are now it looks like an active (proactive) effort is required. If the net is opening these areas up then it is an obvious medium for their preservation. I'm sure the idea of some sort of an internet based HH organization makes some people cringe (writhe in anger?). However an official,structured entity has a much better chance of influencing the course of events, contributing to the updating and creation of UMP's etc. than do a few posters on a forum.
The big question, as alluded to by Pete Hickey, is: would such an organization preserve the pristine nature of the Kilburns and Sawtooths or help ruin them through increased exposure?
Interesting.................... Do you mean like an Advocacy group?
Club to me pulls in some negative connotations. I think Erik is right to an extent........ Does the world really need a ADK HH / NE 770 club or any other club that forces you to stand in 100 / 770 different spots on the planet in order to "have a say" in things........ Hell if I want that, I'll geocache, at least I'll get cool little trinkets too
EX... I know someone that has climbed 95 of the HH and for various reasons will never make it to 100. Does that not mean that she, in her heart, is not every bit the HH finisher, steward and advocate of these places as those that climbed the other 5. While I think climbing them imparts the love and passion that fuels the desire to help, it by no means mean you don't "get it" before, at or after you climb the last peak.
Neil, look in the mirror, you yourself attained the Spirit behind the 46ers, long before last month............. right? (strictly my opinion). Did you really need to soil
So by club, you mean, group of advocates that will first and foremost be stewards and fierce loyalists to a given set of peaks (not to the ppl who climb them), Interesting concept I suppose.......... But, if you mean..... I'll go stand there, take a picture, get me a nifty patch, YIPPIEEEEE
/////----- Another thought on HUMAN ZONES on remote peaks -----/////
Bushwhackers I know USE em'. Earlier this summer, on N. River, a remote peak thats rarely climbed, even by whackers (warning - PRIVATE PROPERTY ISSUE exist on it). Its a double hump peak meaning there are two lumps within the final contour line separated by a 15'-20' dip and maybe 75'. Both are maybe within 3-5 feet in elevation.
As we reached the first............ as experienced whackers (not me so much, but my partners, Bushwhacker and the peak twins - bagr & _bgr
Granted, not a whisper till you were in it, but it was there. OTOH - Avalanche Mt (climbed more often but still pure whacking) you know your close as you get within 100 feet, by the subtle path pointing the way.
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